Hey Fox News. The Democrat Leadership does not want to end capitalism in the U.S

[WuWei]

Which is a “progressive” tax scheme.

[johnwk2]

@WuWei

Which is a “progressive” tax scheme.

Exactly! One of the identifying characteristics which define communists is their love affair with a “progressive” tax scheme, which is used to accomplish the following:

“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”

JWK

They are neither “liberals” nor “progressives”. They are conniving Marxist/Communist/Socialist parasites who use government force to steal and then enjoy the property which labor, business and investors have worked to create.

[johnwk2]

@fallenturtle

Progressive taxation is not unique Marxism

But both Marxists and Progressive Leaders live by the same oppressive rule when it comes to taxation:

“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”

The fact is, when the Democrat Party Leadership advocates characteristics which identify communist thinking, surely the must be COMMUNISTS.

JWK

The walkaway movement is the socialist/communist democrat leadership’s worse nightmare

[fallenturtle]

@johnwk2

@fallenturtle

Progressive taxation is not unique Marxism

But both Marxists and Progressive Leaders live by the same oppressive rule when it comes to taxation:

“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”

Again, progressive taxation is not unique to Marxism.

Are claiming the USA has been Marxist since we started having one?

The fact is, when the Democrat Party Leadership advocates characteristics which identify communist thinking, surely the must be COMMUNISTS.

The Nazis were anti-communist, very nationalistic, and not fond of GLBT people, just like U.S. conservatives. Does that mean U.S. conservatives are Nazis? Of course not, because such simplistic thinking is stupid, juvenile, and leads to making inaccurate statements.

[johnwk2]

@fallenturtle

@johnwk2

@fallenturtle

Progressive taxation is not unique Marxism

But both Marxists and Progressive Leaders live by the same oppressive rule when it comes to taxation:

“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”

Again, progressive taxation is not unique to Marxism.

No one said it was, and, you are repeating yourself and ignoring the fact that both Marxists and Progressive Leaders live by the same oppressive rule when it comes to taxation:

“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”

JWK

Joe Biden and the Democrat Leadership wants elderly American citizens, who paid into Medicare all their lives, to surrender and share their healthcare revenue with the millions of foreigners who have invaded America’s borders. LINK

[fallenturtle]

@johnwk2

@fallenturtle

@johnwk2

@fallenturtle

Progressive taxation is not unique Marxism

But both Marxists and Progressive Leaders live by the same oppressive rule when it comes to taxation:

“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”

Again, progressive taxation is not unique to Marxism.

No one said it was, and, you are repeating yourself and ignoring the fact that both Marxists and Progressive Leaders live by the same oppressive rule when it comes to taxation:

“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”

Not really. For Marxist the context is that each person gives labor according to his ability and receives what they need for life. To apply this to a system of progressive taxation and welfare it would really be “From each according to their ability to pay, to each who needs help living a decent life.” These are two different mindsets.

[johnwk2]

@fallenturtle

@johnwk2

@fallenturtle

@johnwk2

@fallenturtle

Progressive taxation is not unique Marxism

But both Marxists and Progressive Leaders live by the same oppressive rule when it comes to taxation:

“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”

Again, progressive taxation is not unique to Marxism.

No one said it was, and, you are repeating yourself and ignoring the fact that both Marxists and Progressive Leaders live by the same oppressive rule when it comes to taxation:

“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”

Not really. For Marxist the context is that each person gives labor according to his ability and receives what they need for life. To apply this to a system of progressive taxation and welfare it would really be “From each according to their ability to pay, to each who needs help living a decent life.” These are two different mindsets.

Well, that confirms both communist and progressive leaders have no moral compass whatsoever. They refuse to make the distinction between CHARITABLE GIVING and tax tyranny to support the needy.

In other words, they do not embrace and support a fundamental maxim:

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s property

There is an enormous distinction between CHARITABLE GIVING and tax tyranny to support the needy. The communist/socialist controlled Democrat Party Leadership advocates tax tyranny to support the needy, i.e., using the power of direct taxation to rob the property earned by a hard working person in exchange for his/her labor, which is then redistributed by the hand of government to another individual for their personal economic needs. Under these circumstances there is no magic wand which changes an act amounting the theft and tyranny. One of our notable forefathers summarized this principle as follows:

“Under a just and equal Government, every individual is entitled to protection in the enjoyment of the whole product of his labor, except such portion of it as is necessary to enable Government to protect the rest; this is given only in consideration of the protection offered. In every bounty, exclusive right, or monopoly, Government violates the stipulation on her part; for, by such a regulation, the product of one man’s labor is transferred to the use and enjoyment of another. The exercise of such a right on the part of Government can be justified on no other principle, than that the whole product of the labor or every individual is the real property of Government, and may be distributed among the several parts of the community by government discretion; such a supposition would directly involve the idea, that every individual in the community is merely a slave and bondsman to Government, who, although he may labor, is not to expect protection in the product of his labor. An authority given to any Government to exercise such a principle, would lead to a complete system of tyranny.” ___ See Representative Giles, speaking before Congress February 3rd, 1792

Tell me, fallenturtle , are you so blind to not see the injustice when direct taxation is used in such a fashion? When a political party’s leadership goes so far as to disrespecting rights associated with property ownership, and uses its power to confiscate the property of one individual which is then transferred to another individual by the hand of government, are you really incapable of seeing the injustice of such an act?

JWK

“The property which every man has in his own labor, as it is the original foundation of all other property, so it is the most sacred and inviolable. The patrimony of the poor man lies in the strength and dexterity of his own hands; and to hinder him from employing this strength and dexterity in what manner he thinks proper, without injury to his neighbor, is a plain violation of this most sacred property.” ___ Butchers’ Union Co. v. Crescent City Co., 111 U.S. 746 (1884)

[fallenturtle]

@johnwk2

Well, that confirms both communist and progressive leaders have no moral compass whatsoever. They refuse to make the distinction between CHARITABLE GIVING and tax tyranny to support the needy.

In other words, they do not embrace and support a fundamental maxim:

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s property

Morality is relative. I support progressive taxation and I support welfare and I consider myself a moral person.

@johnwk2

There is an enormous distinction between CHARITABLE GIVING and tax tyranny to support the needy. The communist/socialist controlled Democrat Party Leadership advocates tax tyranny to support the needy, i.e., using the power of direct taxation to rob the property earned by a hard working person in exchange for his/her labor, which is then redistributed by the hand of government to another individual for their personal economic needs. Under these circumstances there is no magic wand which changes an act amounting the theft and tyranny. One of our notable forefathers summarized this principle as follows:

“Under a just and equal Government, every individual is entitled to protection in the enjoyment of the whole product of his labor, except such portion of it as is necessary to enable Government to protect the rest; this is given only in consideration of the protection offered. In every bounty, exclusive right, or monopoly, Government violates the stipulation on her part; for, by such a regulation, the product of one man’s labor is transferred to the use and enjoyment of another. The exercise of such a right on the part of Government can be justified on no other principle, than that the whole product of the labor or every individual is the real property of Government, and may be distributed among the several parts of the community by government discretion; such a supposition would directly involve the idea, that every individual in the community is merely a slave and bondsman to Government, who, although he may labor, is not to expect protection in the product of his labor. An authority given to any Government to exercise such a principle, would lead to a complete system of tyranny.” ___ See Representative Giles, speaking before Congress February 3rd, 1792

Tell me, Clara, are you so blind to not see the injustice when direct taxation is used in such a fashion? When a political party’s leadership goes so far as to disrespecting rights associated with property ownership, and uses its power to confiscate the property of one individual which is then transferred to another individual by the hand of government, are you really incapable of seeing the injustice of such an act?

JWK

“The property which every man has in his own labor, as it is the original foundation of all other property, so it is the most sacred and inviolable. The patrimony of the poor man lies in the strength and dexterity of his own hands; and to hinder him from employing this strength and dexterity in what manner he thinks proper, without injury to his neighbor, is a plain violation of this most sacred property.” ___ Butchers’ Union Co. v. Crescent City Co., 111 U.S. 746 (1884)

lol, I was going to ask who Clara was, but then realized you copied this whole reply from a different forum.

[johnwk2]

I suggest you remove that link [a different forum] I believe It violates the rules. I do not want to see you given a time out.

[fallenturtle]

@johnwk2

I suggest you remove that link [a different forum] I believe It violates the rules. I do not want to see you given a time out.

Which rule does it violate? I don’t see anything against posting links to other forums.

[johnwk2]

@fallenturtle

lol, I was going to ask who Clara was, but then realized you copied this whole reply from a different forum (link temporarily removed while I double check the rules).

Actually, I didn’t copy the whole reply from a different forum. I copied it from a general reply I have which I post and relates to the specific subject matter. I forgot to include you name as opposed to the other person’s name.

JWK

[johnwk2]

@fallenturtle

Morality is relative. I support progressive taxation and I support welfare and I consider myself a moral person.

So, using the force of government to take the property earned by the sweat of person’s labor and transferring it to another is “moral” by your standards?

Seems to me, even our Supreme Court confirms such an act is “robbery”

“To lay with one hand the power of the government on the property of the citizen [a working person’s earned wage] and with the other to bestow upon favored individuals, to aid private enterprises and build up private fortunes is none the less a robbery because it is done under forms of law and called taxation.” __ Savings and Loan Association v.Topeka,(1875)

JWK

[NJBob]

@johnwk2

So, using the force of government to take the property earned by the sweat of person’s labor and transferring to another is “moral” by your standards?

So, taxing capital gains is moral? Cool, we agree.

[fallenturtle]

@johnwk2

So, using the force of government to take the property earned by the sweat of person’s labor and transferring it to another is “moral” by your standards?

Yes, assuming such tax laws and welfare programs were enacted by representatives voted for by the citizens and that the citizens are free to leave the country if they don’t want to agree to the laws.

@johnwk2

Seems to me, even our Supreme Court confirms such an act is “robbery”

“To lay with one hand the power of the government on the property of the citizen [a working person’s earned wage] and with the other to bestow upon favored individuals, to aid private enterprises and build up private fortunes is none the less a robbery because it is done under forms of law and called taxation.” __ Savings and Loan Association v.Topeka,(1875)

No one is building a fortune off welfare.

[johnwk2]

@NJBob

@johnwk2

So, using the force of government to take the property earned by the sweat of person’s labor and transferring to another is “moral” by your standards?

So, taxing capital gains is moral? Cool, we agree.

Your use of Russian Whataboutism link to switch the subject is old and tired.

JWK

[johnwk2]

@fallenturtle

@johnwk2

So, using the force of government to take the property earned by the sweat of person’s labor and transferring it to another is “moral” by your standards?

Yes, assuming such tax laws and welfare programs were enacted by representatives voted for by the citizens and that the citizens are free to leave the country if they don’t want to agree to the laws.

Well, according to my moral standards, there is no magic wand in government force which changes the definition of theft and robbery.

Aside from that, the communist/socialist controlled Democrat Party Leadership advocates the kind of tax tyranny you support, i.e., using the power of direct taxation to rob the property earned by a hard working person in exchange for his/her labor, which is then redistributed by the hand of government to another individual for their personal economic needs. Under these circumstances there is no magic wand which changes an act amounting the theft and tyranny. One of our notable forefathers summarized this principle as follows:

“Under a just and equal Government, every individual is entitled to protection in the enjoyment of the whole product of his labor, except such portion of it as is necessary to enable Government to protect the rest; this is given only in consideration of the protection offered. In every bounty, exclusive right, or monopoly, Government violates the stipulation on her part; for, by such a regulation, the product of one man’s labor is transferred to the use and enjoyment of another. The exercise of such a right on the part of Government can be justified on no other principle, than that the whole product of the labor or every individual is the real property of Government, and may be distributed among the several parts of the community by government discretion; such a supposition would directly involve the idea, that every individual in the community is merely a slave and bondsman to Government, who, although he may labor, is not to expect protection in the product of his labor. An authority given to any Government to exercise such a principle, would lead to a complete system of tyranny.” ___ See Representative Giles, speaking before Congress February 3rd, 1792

So, how do you respond to Representative Giles’ summation regarding a fundamental purpose of government?

JWK

The Democrat Party Leadership has been angry, stupid and obnoxious ever since the Republican Party Leadership freed democrat owned slaves and put the KKK out of business. ___ Author unknown

[fallenturtle]

@johnwk2

Well, according to my moral standards, there is no magic wand in government force which changes the definition of theft and robbery.

Aside from that, the communist/socialist controlled Democrat Party Leadership advocates the kind of tax tyranny you support, i.e., using the power of direct taxation to rob the property earned by a hard working person in exchange for his/her labor, which is then redistributed by the hand of government to another individual for their personal economic needs.

There is no such thing as the “communist/socialist controlled Democrat Party Leadership”. Let me know if you’d prefer to talk about the liberal/progressive controlled Democratic Party leadership which does exist.

@johnwk2

Under these circumstances there is no magic wand which changes an act amounting the theft and tyranny. One of our notable forefathers summarized this principle as follows:

“Under a just and equal Government, every individual is entitled to protection in the enjoyment of the whole product of his labor, except such portion of it as is necessary to enable Government to protect the rest; this is given only in consideration of the protection offered. In every bounty, exclusive right, or monopoly, Government violates the stipulation on her part; for, by such a regulation, the product of one man’s labor is transferred to the use and enjoyment of another. The exercise of such a right on the part of Government can be justified on no other principle, than that the whole product of the labor or every individual is the real property of Government, and may be distributed among the several parts of the community by government discretion; such a supposition would directly involve the idea, that every individual in the community is merely a slave and bondsman to Government, who, although he may labor, is not to expect protection in the product of his labor. An authority given to any Government to exercise such a principle, would lead to a complete system of tyranny.” ___ See Representative Giles, speaking before Congress February 3rd, 1792

So, how do you respond to Representative Giles’ summation regarding a fundamental purpose of government?

“I disagree”.

FTN

The Republican Party leadership has been angry, stupid, and obnoxious ever since they took the mantle from the Democrats as the party of racist white southerners.___Author unknown

[NJBob]

So predictable. Carry on.

[johnwk2]

@fallenturtle

There is no such thing as the “communist/socialist controlled Democrat Party Leadership”.

We have already gone over this. When the leadership of the democrat party exhibits characteristics which define communists and socialists . . . surely they must be communists and socialists.

JWK

[johnwk2]

@NJBob

So predictable. Carry on.

And your use of Russian Whataboutism [link] to switch the subject is likewise “predictable”.

JWK