I refuse to engage in a dialogue?! Hilarious… I keep asking you questions and you ignore them and accuse me of deflection. dialogues are two sided.
Still deflecting I see.
Your questions have nothing to do with the true meaning of our Constitution, nor printing and handing over $4.38 BILLION in Federal Reserve Notes to illegal entrants so they may acquire “free” economic needs.
JWK
When it comes to healthcare and helping the needy, our socialist Democrat Party Revolutionary Leadership has no moral compass whatsoever. They refuse to make the distinction between CHARITABLE GIVING and tax tyranny to support the health care needs of millions of illegal entrants and foreign aliens who have invaded America’s borders.
Still deflecting by accusing me of deflecting I see.
Do you believe stimulus payments to citizens help stimulate the economy? Yes or no?
Your above accusation brings to mind the following:
Our socialist/fascist revolutionaries, which now control the Democrat Party Leadership, are known for accusing others of what they themselves are guilty of.
In regard to your above deflective question, it is irrelevant to what we are discussing which is, handing over $4.38 BILLION in Federal Reserve Notes to illegal entrants so they may acquire and consume free of charge their economic needs from our nation’s cupboard, and you indicating this a beneficial economic “stimulus” for our nation’s economy.
Asserting your “stimulus” idea ___ allowing the current flow of illegal entrants to consume $4.38 BILLION worth of goods and services from our nation’s cupboard ___ is somehow beneficial to our nation’s economy is absurd to say the least.
The next time a major fire sweeps across California and consumes $4.38 BILLION in property, I doubt any sane person will rejoice and claim such a consumption of property is a beneficial “stimulus”, which is what your absurd thinking indicates such an event would be.
JWK
When it comes to healthcare and helping the needy, our socialist Democrat Party Revolutionary Leadership has no moral compass whatsoever. They refuse to make the distinction between CHARITABLE GIVING and tax tyranny to support the health care needs of millions of illegal entrants and foreign aliens who have invaded America’s borders.
You’re using those words wrong.
Dude.
I’m trying to ascertain if your issue is that stimulus payments don’t stimulate the economy in general or only when its given to illegal immigrants. Based on what you’ve said, it seems like its stimulus payments in general. Hence my question.
And yes, if a major fire causes people to have to buy enough things minus the losses the insurance companies take, that would be good for the economy, but no one rejoices because its way overshadowed by the lost and destruction caused by the fire. It’s not a good analogy.
I stated my “issue” in crystal clear language.
My issue is specifically with regard to handing over $4.38 BILLION in Federal Reserve Notes to illegal entrants so they may acquire and consume free of charge their economic needs from our nation’s cupboard, and you indicating this is a beneficial economic “stimulus” for America’s taxpaying citizens.
I don’t know what you mean by “stimulus” but from where I stand when the force of our federal government is used to take $4.38 BILLION from the American Citizen’s Federal Treasury, and hand it over to illegal entrants so they may consume free of charge their economic need’s from our nation’s cupboard, that is a net loss to taxpaying American Citizens, and to replenish the wealth consumed by the illegal entrants, American citizens will be “stimulated” to work and sweat to replace what the illegal entrants have consumed free of charge.
As I correctly pointed out, if a fire swept across California and consumes $4.38 BILLION in property, I doubt any sane person will rejoice and claim the fire created a beneficial “stimulus”, which is what your absurd thinking indicates such an event would be.
The fact is, after such a fire, instead of the economy generating additional wealth for future use, the fire will have “stimulated” the people to work and sweat to simply replace that which has been consumed by the fire.
But hey, I think I know what afflicts you and why you are so adamant in defending the use of government force and the American Citizen’s Federal Treasury to finance the economic needs of those flooding into the United States from Central America. It appears you think with the wrong part of your anatomy. You think with your heart, and not your brain, and have no moral compunction in using government force to take the property of your neighbor to carry out your lofty, self-righteous desires, and, you have confessed as much when you stated “From each according to their ability to pay, to each who needs help living a decent life.” ___ fallenturtle
JWK
When it comes to healthcare and helping the needy, our socialist Democrat Party Revolutionary Leadership has no moral compass whatsoever. They refuse to make the distinction between CHARITABLE GIVING and tax tyranny to support the health care needs of millions of illegal entrants and foreign aliens who have invaded America’s borders.
People need dollars to buy oil. Really it’s probably just that simple. Otherwise the feds bond auctions would be a bust.
The end of the Petrodollar is the end of progressivism.
So buy those electric cars everyone!
And, speaking to the actual thread title, it won’t be that hard to balloon the population.
This is why I think you are actually just against the idea of stimulus payments in general. For an illegal to receive a stimulus payment, they need a social security number. If they have a SSN then that means they are paying taxes… so while they are technically illegal immigrants, the stimulus effects, again assuming they aren’t sending that money back home, are akin to those caused by giving money to citizens in similar income brackets.
■■■■■■■■■ did you not read what I wrote?
And yes, if a major fire causes people to have to buy enough things minus the losses the insurance companies take, that would be good for the economy, but no one rejoices because its way overshadowed by the lost and destruction caused by the fire. It’s not a good analogy.
In other words, its not beneficial because the losses overshadow the gains.
I’m thinking with my brain. My heart doesn’t think, it only pumps blood. Morals are relative. There’s nothing illogical about progressive taxation and social welfare programs… which just disagree on if they are morally just.
We aren’t Venezula and we aren’t reliant on a single industry.
I’d prefer nuclear anyway.
Did you not read and comprehend what I wrote. I don’t know what you mean by “stimulus” .
Additionally, we are specifically talking about the current flow of illegal entrants flooding into the United States and our federal government taking $4.38 BILLION from the American Citizen’s Federal Treasury, and handing it over to citizens of other countries so they may consume free of charge their economic need’s from our nation’s cupboard.
Your assertion that an illegal entrant with a SSN is paying taxes on what they earn is not only misleading, it simply isn’t true.
Many get a SSN simply to get taxpayer benefits for their offspring, while the majority of their work is “off the books” and unreported!
But see: Millions of illegal immigrants set to get $4.38 billion in Biden COVID cash
Despite Democratic claims that illegals do not have a Social Security number required to get a share of President Biden’s $1.9 trillion COVID-19 stimulus package, several federal programs provide them to 2.65 million aliens, according to data cited by Camarota.
Based on income data, likely only 2.1 million aliens and their 1.1 million U.S. born children meet the income limits in the package, said Camarota. “In total, illegal immigrants could receive an estimated $4.38 billion in stimulus checks from the new COVID relief bill – $2.85 billion directly, and another $1.53 billion on behalf of their children,” said the analysis shared with Secrets.
The article continues by pointing out because counting the population of illegals in the U.S. is difficult due to fraud and theft of Social Security numbers, “over 2 million others could also be receiving the checks. Included in that estimate are 600,000 former guestworkers and 1.8 million the Social Security Administration estimated use numbers and names that do not match.”
As I correctly pointed out, handing $4.38 BILLION to illegal entrants so they may consume that amount from our nation’s cupboard, is akin to a fire consuming $4.38 BILLION worth of American citizen’s property, which happens to be a net loss for American citizens which they will have to work a second time to replace. So, to associate the $4.38 BILLION going to illegal entrants as being a beneficial “stimulus” is bizarre to say the least.
JWK
The Biden/Harris socialist healthcare plan will tax America’s productive citizens and our retired Senior citizens to provide healthcare to the 1.5 million DACA and 3.6 million Dreamers in our country ___ LINK
It’s in the first paragraph of the article you posted:
Christmas is coming early to millions of illegal immigrants in the form of a COVID-19 stimulus check of up to $1,400, according to a new analysis.
I explained what a stimulus check was earlier, but I guess you ignored me as selectively do, I’ll use an 3rd party source in case that helps:
src: What Is a Stimulus Check? Definition, How It Works, and Criticism
Fair enough… but as I said previously, most of them aren’t pay much into the system anyway because of being low income, but then if that’s your concern then you should be equally opposed to poor people getting stimulus checks as well.
But the point of the stimulus is the spur economic growth and illegals spending money in the US can still lead to an increase in jobs held by citizens who do pay taxes.
So please explain to me why their illegal status is the reason their economic activity won’t stimulate the economy but poor legal residents with similar income levels will.
Yup, you sure did, and you equated it to a $4.38 BILLION payment to the flood of illegal entrants coming in from Central America, and also indicated it would stimulate the economy, which is unadulterated poppycock as I have explained.
As to your 3rd party source definition of a Stimulus Check, it begins with “A stimulus check is a check sent to a taxpayer by the U.S. government.” Now, note the word “taxpayer” as opposed to a flood of foreigners crossing our border from Central America…
The Biden/Harris socialist healthcare plan will tax America’s productive citizens and our retired Senior citizens to provide healthcare to the 1.5 million DACA and 3.6 million Dreamers in our country ___ LINK
Have I posted this recently?
Of course with pure deficit driven spending creating money out of thin digital air the above isn’t accurate since the price of the government’s largess would be increasing via inflation the price for the future flour, beans and what goes into making his measly delicious homemade pies as well government tricking him out of his current pies.
Your explanation is wrong because it completely ignores the purpose of stimulating the economy. The point of a stimulus is not to refill our “cupboards”. That’s what taxes are for and is something that happens after the economy is back up to full speed. The purpose is to drive demand and create jobs.
That doesn’t really change anything. Kinda like how it says by the U.S. Government as if all other countries can’t do stimulus checks.
So, please explain, how does spending by legal residents raise demand which in turn creates jobs to fill demand but doesn’t when its done by illegal residents?
We have already gone over your absurd assertion, that handing over $4.38 BILLION to the current flow of foreigners flooding into the United States from Central America, which allows them to consume that amount of property from our Nation’s cupboard free of charge, is a beneficial stimulus for American citizens who have to work a second time to replace that property. Your thinking is just as absurd now as when you first indicated handing over $4.38 BILLION in Federal Reserve Notes to foreigners flooding into American is a beneficial “stimulus” for America’s economy.
In any event, as I stated before in response to you absurd thinking, I think I know what afflicts you and why you are so adamant in defending the use of government force and the American Citizen’s Federal Treasury to finance the economic needs of those flooding into the United States from Central America. It appears you think with the wrong part of your anatomy. You think with your heart, and not your brain, and have no moral compunction in using government force to take the property of your neighbor to carry out your lofty, self-righteous desires, and, you have confessed as much when you stated: “From each according to their ability to pay, to each who needs help living a decent life.” ___ fallenturtle
Are you incapable of distinguishing our Federal Treasury from our nation’s “cupboard”, a reference to the property created by America’s Citizens, businesses and investors?
Are you intentionally be obtuse?
JWK
When it comes to healthcare and helping the needy, our socialist Democrat Party Revolutionary Leadership has no moral compass whatsoever. They refuse to make the distinction between CHARITABLE GIVING and tax tyranny to support the health care needs of millions of illegal entrants and foreign aliens who have invaded America’s borders.
Thank you for bringing this up. I have just been thinking about this. In the 1980’s, the MEDIA was making a big thing about the population boom. Over population. We were nearing 5 billion people on this earth and we wouldn’t be able to sustain this growth. Now, in just a short 40 years…we have nearly DOUBLED the world population. Now, nearly 9 to 10 billion people!!! Not one article about this!! I guess that would be considered racism!! Oh, brother!
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How does spending by legal residents raise demand which in turn creates jobs to fill demand but doesn’t when its done by illegal residents?
I’m thinking with my brain. My heart doesn’t think, it only pumps blood. Morals are relative. There’s nothing illogical about progressive taxation and social welfare programs… which just disagree on if they are morally just.
Actually I thought you were talking about our Federal Treasury when you said cupboard. Makes all those times you accused me of obfuscation kind of ironic.
It also makes your statements even more nonsensical.
How does this “property” manifest? If you’re talking about goods and services for sale, then its good that its being bought as thats the point of the stimulus. If its money paid into the government via taxes, then your issue should also include low income residents and not just illegal aliens. If its personal property owned by citizens, then it moot because illegals are taking that.
We are talking about your assertion that handing over $4.38 BILLION to the current flow of foreigners flooding into the United States from Central America, which allows them to consume that amount of property from our Nation’s cupboard free of charge, is a beneficial stimulus for American citizens.
It’s as much as a beneficial stimulus as would be a fire consuming $4.38 BILLION in property loses.
JWK
This is going no where… just fess up and say either you can’t or you refuse to answer my questions.
For example: How does spending by legal residents raise demand which in turn creates jobs to fill demand but doesn’t when its done by illegal residents?
