Is the Biden plan to balloon our population a good idea?

fallenturtle · 2021-03-22T22:51:13.442Z

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

Is this statement a fact or an assumption:
“The vast majority of the current flow of foreigners crossing our southern border have one or more of the following characteristics . . . Being poorly educated, low skilled, disease carrying, disabled and/or having a criminal background”

Give it a freaken break. What I originally STATED was:

The vast majority of those now flooding into our country from Central America fall into one or more of the above mentioned categories, and it is the American Taxpayer and their children who are paying the price.

And, the categories listed were poverty stricken, poorly educated, low skilled, disease carrying and criminal populations of other countries

The statement is factually correct! Move on and admit what is factually correct.

Sure, let’s call it a “fact” if it will help you move on.

Now, is this statement a fact or an assumption:
“The vast majority of the current flow of foreigners crossing our southern border have one or more of the following characteristics . . . Being poorly educated, low skilled, disease carrying, disabled and/or having a criminal background”

Do you still consider it a fact if we remove poverty from the list? Is this statement a fact or an assumption:
“The vast majority of the current flow of foreigners crossing our southern border have one or more of the following characteristics . . . Being poorly educated, low skilled, disease carrying, disabled and/or having a criminal background”

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Give it a freaken break and move on.

Why are you against answering the question?

Did you miss what I posted?

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Give it a freaken break and move on.

I see. Okay, then I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and put you down for “assumption”.

Is that your adolescent comment for the day or is there more to come?

Fine, don’t answer.

The statement (not made by Johnwk, should there be any confusion), “The vast majority of the current flow of foreigners crossing our southern border have one or more of the following characteristics . . . Being poorly educated, low skilled, disease carrying, disabled and/or having a criminal background”, is an assumption.

Bye.

johnwk2 · 2021-03-22T22:52:38.197Z

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

There seems to be something notoriously evil afoot by allowing this ongoing invasion to continue.

I guess we don’t even agree on the definitions of “evil”.

There is no guessing about it. Those who do not make the distinction between CHARITABLE GIVING and tax tyranny to support the health care needs of millions of illegal entrants and foreign aliens who have invaded America’s borders, have no moral compass. There is no magic wand in government force which changes the definition of tax tyranny.

My bad… I know we don’t agree on the definition of evil. Better?

I guess so since I am in harmony with thou shall not covet that neighbor’s property and thou shall not steal, and you apparently disagree with such commands.

Capitalism depends on coveting what others have as this drives you to make money to afford and buy the things you covet.

I don’t consider income taxes stealing and you do. End of discussion.

There you go again, misrepresenting my position. You really need to stop misrepresenting my positions.

JWK

Sorry if I remembered incorrectly. Is this more accurate:
I don’t consider taxing income to pay for welfare programs stealing and you do. End of discussion.

No. You are still misrepresenting me. Stop it!

Interesting… then what is it you consider stealing?

I explained my position in the thread. Try paying attention to what I post instead of misrepresenting me.

JWK

Our socialist revolutionaries, which now control the Democrat Party Leadership, want elderly American citizens, who were forced to pay into Medicare all their lives, to surrender and share their Medicare Trust fund with millions of foreigners who have invaded America’s borders. LINK

fallenturtle · 2021-03-22T22:53:34.048Z

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

There seems to be something notoriously evil afoot by allowing this ongoing invasion to continue.

I guess we don’t even agree on the definitions of “evil”.

There is no guessing about it. Those who do not make the distinction between CHARITABLE GIVING and tax tyranny to support the health care needs of millions of illegal entrants and foreign aliens who have invaded America’s borders, have no moral compass. There is no magic wand in government force which changes the definition of tax tyranny.

My bad… I know we don’t agree on the definition of evil. Better?

I guess so since I am in harmony with thou shall not covet that neighbor’s property and thou shall not steal, and you apparently disagree with such commands.

Capitalism depends on coveting what others have as this drives you to make money to afford and buy the things you covet.

I don’t consider income taxes stealing and you do. End of discussion.

There you go again, misrepresenting my position. You really need to stop misrepresenting my positions.

JWK

Sorry if I remembered incorrectly. Is this more accurate:
I don’t consider taxing income to pay for welfare programs stealing and you do. End of discussion.

No. You are still misrepresenting me. Stop it!

Interesting… then what is it you consider stealing?

I explained my position in the thread. Try paying attention to what I post instead of misrepresenting me.

Fine.

Taxing income to pay for welfare programs is not stealing.

Bye.

johnwk2 · 2021-03-22T22:57:31.761Z

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

There seems to be something notoriously evil afoot by allowing this ongoing invasion to continue.

I guess we don’t even agree on the definitions of “evil”.

There is no guessing about it. Those who do not make the distinction between CHARITABLE GIVING and tax tyranny to support the health care needs of millions of illegal entrants and foreign aliens who have invaded America’s borders, have no moral compass. There is no magic wand in government force which changes the definition of tax tyranny.

My bad… I know we don’t agree on the definition of evil. Better?

I guess so since I am in harmony with thou shall not covet that neighbor’s property and thou shall not steal, and you apparently disagree with such commands.

Capitalism depends on coveting what others have as this drives you to make money to afford and buy the things you covet.

I don’t consider income taxes stealing and you do. End of discussion.

There you go again, misrepresenting my position. You really need to stop misrepresenting my positions.

JWK

Sorry if I remembered incorrectly. Is this more accurate:
I don’t consider taxing income to pay for welfare programs stealing and you do. End of discussion.

No. You are still misrepresenting me. Stop it!

Interesting… then what is it you consider stealing?

I explained my position in the thread. Try paying attention to what I post instead of misrepresenting me.

Fine.

Taxing income to pay for welfare programs is not stealing.

Bye.

And confiscating the property of one individual through taxation and transferring it to another is tax tyranny!

JWK

“The property which every man has in his own labor, as it is the original foundation of all other property, so it is the most sacred and inviolable. The patrimony of the poor man lies in the strength and dexterity of his own hands; and to hinder him from employing this strength and dexterity in what manner he thinks proper, without injury to his neighbor, is a plain violation of this most sacred property.” ___ Butchers’ Union Co. v. Crescent City Co., 111 U.S. 746 (1884)

fallenturtle · 2021-03-22T22:59:56.815Z

johnwk2:

And confiscating the property of one individual through taxation and transferring it to another is tax tyranny!

Yea, I disagree with that too.

johnwk2 · 2021-03-22T23:02:20.065Z

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

And confiscating the property of one individual through taxation and transferring it to another is tax tyranny!

Yea, I disagree with that too.

Of course you do. You have already indicated your position:

“From each according to their ability to pay, to each who needs help living a decent life.” ___ fallenturtle LINK

JWK

Smyrna · 2021-03-22T23:03:04.664Z

Illegal Immigrants to Receive $4.38 Billion in Stimulus Checks: Report

www.theepochtimes.com – 22 Mar 21

Illegal Immigrants to Receive $4.38 Billion in Stimulus Checks: Report

As Americans start to receive the latest round of stimulus checks, a new analysis reveals that about $4.38 ...

fallenturtle · 2021-03-22T23:11:03.410Z

Smyrna:

Illegal Immigrants to Receive $4.38 Billion in Stimulus Checks: Report

Illegal Immigrants to Receive $4.38 Billion in Stimulus Checks: Report | The Epoch Times

As long as they don’t send them money home, is this bad? If they spend it in the US then it will help stimulate the economy.

fallenturtle · 2021-03-22T23:17:36.538Z

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

And confiscating the property of one individual through taxation and transferring it to another is tax tyranny!

Yea, I disagree with that too.

Of course you do. You have already indicated your position:

“From each according to their ability to pay, to each who needs help living a decent life.” ___ fallenturtle LINK

JWK

Are there other posters here who’s statements you keep on file?

johnwk2 · 2021-03-22T23:56:55.037Z

fallenturtle:

Smyrna:

Illegal Immigrants to Receive $4.38 Billion in Stimulus Checks: Report

Illegal Immigrants to Receive $4.38 Billion in Stimulus Checks: Report | The Epoch Times

As long as they don’t send them money home, is this bad? If they spend it in the US then it will help stimulate the economy.

Your logic is greatly flawed. When the current flow of foreigners from Central America are allowed to consume goods and services which they have not helped to produce, and is what the $4.38 Billion allows them to do, it diminishes the available flow of goods and services in the country for American Citizens and increases the M1 money supply, i.e., helps to create inflation.

What part of your anatomy do you think with? Apparently your heart and not your brain.

JWK

“Until you realize how easy it is for your mind to be manipulated, you remain the puppet of someone else’s game.” ― Evita Ochel

fallenturtle · 2021-03-23T00:17:10.903Z

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

Smyrna:

Illegal Immigrants to Receive $4.38 Billion in Stimulus Checks: Report

Illegal Immigrants to Receive $4.38 Billion in Stimulus Checks: Report | The Epoch Times

As long as they don’t send them money home, is this bad? If they spend it in the US then it will help stimulate the economy.

Your logic is greatly flawed. When the current flow of foreigners from Central America are allowed to consume goods and services which they have not helped to produce, and is what the $4.38 Billion allows them to do, it diminishes the available flow of goods and services in the country for American Citizens and increases the M1 money supply, i.e., helps to create inflation.

What part of your anatomy do you think with? Apparently your heart and not your brain.

Foreigners use to money to buy from US retailers. This drives demand for more goods and services. The demand for more goods means more goods need to be made. Jobs are created to fulfill the larger demand for goods and services. More jobs means more people earning a wage. More people earning a wage means money they can spend to buy from US retailers. This drives demand for more goods and services. And so on.

Smyrna · 2021-03-23T01:07:12.997Z

fallenturtle:

As long as they don’t send them money home, is this bad? If they spend it in the US then it will help stimulate the economy.

My mother taught me that if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all.

Bosun · 2021-03-23T02:00:32.412Z

Yes he understands perfectly, Mr. Lucchese

johnwk2 · 2021-03-23T03:05:20.816Z

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

Smyrna:

Illegal Immigrants to Receive $4.38 Billion in Stimulus Checks: Report

Illegal Immigrants to Receive $4.38 Billion in Stimulus Checks: Report | The Epoch Times

As long as they don’t send them money home, is this bad? If they spend it in the US then it will help stimulate the economy.

Your logic is greatly flawed. When the current flow of foreigners from Central America are allowed to consume goods and services which they have not helped to produce, and is what the $4.38 Billion allows them to do, it diminishes the available flow of goods and services in the country for American Citizens and increases the M1 money supply, i.e., helps to create inflation.

What part of your anatomy do you think with? Apparently your heart and not your brain.

Foreigners use to money to buy from US retailers. This drives demand for more goods and services. The demand for more goods means more goods need to be made. Jobs are created to fulfill the larger demand for goods and services. More jobs means more people earning a wage. More people earning a wage means money they can spend to buy from US retailers. This drives demand for more goods and services. And so on.

As I correctly pointed out, your logic is greatly flawed.

The $4.38 Billion given to a group of “illegal immigrants” who have not contributed in filling America’s goods and services cupboard, allows these illegal immigrants to deplete the cupboard without having to refill the cupboard. And instead of the American People adding additional wealth to their cupboard to provide for their general welfare, as they have by their sweat and labor, the wealth they have created has been consumed by illegal entrants and leaves the American people to sweat and labor a second time to simply to replenish the $4.38 billion in property consumed by illegal entrants.

And this, my friend, is a form of tax tyranny, well known to our forefathers:

“Under a just and equal Government, every individual is entitled to protection in the enjoyment of the whole product of his labor, except such portion of it as is necessary to enable Government to protect the rest; this is given only in consideration of the protection offered. In every bounty, exclusive right, or monopoly, Government violates the stipulation on her part; for, by such a regulation, the product of one man’s labor is transferred to the use and enjoyment of another. The exercise of such a right on the part of Government can be justified on no other principle, than that the whole product of the labor or every individual is the real property of Government, and may be distributed among the several parts of the community by government discretion; such a supposition would directly involve the idea, that every individual in the community is merely a slave and bondsman to Government, who, although he may labor, is not to expect protection in the product of his labor. An authority given to any Government to exercise such a principle, would lead to a complete system of tyranny.” ___ See Representative Giles, speaking before Congress February 3rd, 1792

JWK

When it comes to healthcare and helping the needy, our socialist Democrat Party Revolutionary Leadership has no moral compass whatsoever. They refuse to make the distinction between CHARITABLE GIVING and tax tyranny to support the health care needs of millions of illegal entrants and foreign aliens who have invaded America’s borders.

fallenturtle · 2021-03-23T03:37:38.671Z

johnwk2:

The $4.38 Billion given to a group of “illegal immigrants” who have not contributed in filling America’s goods and services cupboard, allows these illegal immigrants to deplete the cupboard without having to refill the cupboard. And instead of the American People adding additional wealth to their cupboard to provide for their general welfare, as they have by their sweat and labor, the wealth they have created has been consumed by illegal entrants and leaves the American people to sweat and labor a second time to simply to replenish the $4.38 billion in property consumed by illegal entrants.

Stimulating the economy helps refill the “cupboard”. And if they’re getting stimulus checks that means they too have been paying taxes.

Smyrna · 2021-03-23T10:18:40.895Z

fallenturtle:

Stimulating the economy helps refill the “cupboard”. And if they’re getting stimulus checks that means they too have been paying taxes.

Then do the right thing according to you, give all of your money away to people you do not know and allow them to immediately inject every cent into our economy.

zantax · 2021-03-23T10:59:41.186Z

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

Smyrna:

Illegal Immigrants to Receive $4.38 Billion in Stimulus Checks: Report

Illegal Immigrants to Receive $4.38 Billion in Stimulus Checks: Report | The Epoch Times

As long as they don’t send them money home, is this bad? If they spend it in the US then it will help stimulate the economy.

Your logic is greatly flawed. When the current flow of foreigners from Central America are allowed to consume goods and services which they have not helped to produce, and is what the $4.38 Billion allows them to do, it diminishes the available flow of goods and services in the country for American Citizens and increases the M1 money supply, i.e., helps to create inflation.

What part of your anatomy do you think with? Apparently your heart and not your brain.

Foreigners use to money to buy from US retailers. This drives demand for more goods and services. The demand for more goods means more goods need to be made. Jobs are created to fulfill the larger demand for goods and services. More jobs means more people earning a wage. More people earning a wage means money they can spend to buy from US retailers. This drives demand for more goods and services. And so on.

Well, that’s nice, for China.

johnwk2 · 2021-03-23T12:07:26.945Z

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

The $4.38 Billion given to a group of “illegal immigrants” who have not contributed in filling America’s goods and services cupboard, allows these illegal immigrants to deplete the cupboard without having to refill the cupboard. And instead of the American People adding additional wealth to their cupboard to provide for their general welfare, as they have by their sweat and labor, the wealth they have created has been consumed by illegal entrants and leaves the American people to sweat and labor a second time to simply to replenish the $4.38 billion in property consumed by illegal entrants.

Stimulating the economy helps refill the “cupboard”. And if they’re getting stimulus checks that means they too have been paying taxes.

Another deflection and avoidance to address what has been posted to you in response to your posted absurdities. But hey, everyone here is now aware of your economic philosophy.

JWK

“From each according to their ability to pay, to each who needs help living a decent life.” ___ fallenturtle LINK

Rurudyne · 2021-03-23T14:05:31.652Z

John, if Ahab had taken Naboth’s vineyard for a garden to feed Samaria’s poor he would likely be a hero to the modern progressive ideology.

altair1013 · 2021-03-23T14:20:36.502Z

fallenturtle:

Yea, I disagree with that too.

Biden wants to balloon the population by a number equal to the population of the city of Chicago each year. Do we really want to live in a crowded country?