Is the Biden plan to balloon our population a good idea?

Eagle-Keeper · 2021-03-27T21:15:58.508Z

Expanding the welfare state is a good thing?

7ranz · 2021-03-27T21:19:52.296Z

Eagle-Keeper:

Expanding the welfare state is a good thing?

Attempting to care…

WuWei · 2021-03-27T22:32:12.734Z

Mod Note

@7ranz Stop trolling

altair1013 · 2021-03-27T22:59:45.386Z

fallenturtle:

altair1013:

Seriously, how long can y’all do this silly crap? Maybe a day or two away would help you snap out of it? Give it try. I do it all the time.

Are you serious?

Yes. You seem really angry. All the time. Taking personal shots at posters rather than addressing the topic. But yes, John should probably simma down a little too.

fallenturtle · 2021-03-28T00:39:38.297Z

altair1013:

fallenturtle:

altair1013:

Seriously, how long can y’all do this silly crap? Maybe a day or two away would help you snap out of it? Give it try. I do it all the time.

Are you serious?

Yes. You seem really angry. All the time. Taking personal shots at posters rather than addressing the topic. But yes, John should probably simma down a little too.

I’m not angry. Am I taking personal shots?

johnwk2 · 2021-03-28T19:46:24.397Z

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

But you didn’t point out how I am wrong. You made a false claim. You stated that property consumed from our Nation’s inventory by the foreigners now flooding into our country from Central America, which is purchased with $4.38 BILLION given to these foreigners by our federal government, is getting “injected back into the system”. That is certainly not true.

The truth is, $4.38 BILLION in Federal Reserve Notes is being “injected into the system” which has been given to these foreigners by our federal government so they may consume, free of charge and without contributing in its production, what America’s system has produced.

How can the Biden Administration justify handing over $4.38 BILLION to foreigners invading our border from Central America, so they can consume, free of charge and without contributing in its production, what America’s system has produced, when our own citizens are in need?

Are you suggesting Bernadette Lancelin, who spoke to this very issue when the Obama/Biden Administration was in power, is not making a legitimate point, and that our federal government should be caring for American citizens first, instead of taxing them to fund the needs of foreigners invading our country?

property consumed from our Nation’s inventory

What is our Nation’s inventory?

.

It is the wealth created by America’s labor and businesses.

How can the Biden Administration justify handing over $4.38 BILLION to foreigners invading our border from Central America, so they can consume, free of charge and without contributing in its production , what America’s system has produced, when our own citizens are in need?

And now, the Biden Administration is housing the surge of foreigners flooding into our country from Central America in expensive hotels at taxpayer expense! See: Biden is spending $86 million on hotel rooms for migrants as his administration struggles to handle the surge of families and kids trying to come to the US

March 20, 2021

“The latest decision to secure hotel rooms comes as the US is seeing the biggest surge of migrants at the border in decades, pacing towards a potential 2 million migrants at the US-Mexico border this year, The Washington Post reported. The surge is putting a heavy strain on government resources and border towns.”

And, this is in addition to the Biden Administration handing over $4.38 BILLION in COVID CASH to foreigners who have flooded into the United States from Central America, which allows them to consume that amount of property from our Nation’s inventory free of charge and without contributing in its production.

How on earth is this promoting the general welfare of the United States and her citizens, especially when many of our own citizens are in need?

JWK

The Biden/Harris socialist healthcare plan will tax America’s productive citizens and our retired Senior citizens to provide healthcare to the 1.5 million DACA and 3.6 million Dreamers in our country ___ LINK

Come back when you finally understand what economic stimulus means. Bye.

Still yet another deflection I see.

Of course I, and I assume every poster in the thread, understands what is meant by an “economic stimulus”. But we are not talking about just any policy referred to as an “economic stimulus”. We are here talking about something specific, the Biden Administration’s “economic stimulus” under which $4.38 BILLION IN COVID CASH is being handed out to foreigners who have flooded across our borders so they may consume their economic needs from our Nation’s inventory which is made free of charge for them and without having helped to produce this inventory . . . an “economic stimulus” which reasonable thinking people would agree is stimulating swarms of new poverty stricken, poorly educated, low skilled, disease carrying mentally disabled, and criminal gang members to flood across our border from Central America for the Biden Administration’s “free -cheese stimulus”.

I imagine it must be painful for you with the political tax philosophy you advocate, [“From each according to their ability to pay, to each who needs help living a decent life.” ___ fallenturtle], to discuses and defend the Biden Administration’s "free -cheese stimulus, and what it really is “stimulating”, which most certainly is not promoting the general welfare of the United States and her citizens.

But wouldn’t it be more productive to simply say you refuse to discuss the specifics and ramifications of the Biden Administration’s “free -cheese stimulus” than to continue deflecting, obfuscating and misdirecting the subject matter to things other than the Biden Administration’s “free-cheese stimulus” for those flooding across our southern border?

JWK

The Biden/Harris socialist healthcare plan will tax America’s productive citizens and our retired Senior citizens to provide healthcare to the 1.5 million DACA and 3.6 million Dreamers in our country ___ LINK

fallenturtle · 2021-03-29T16:05:32.229Z

johnwk2:

Still yet another deflection I see.

I’m starting to question if you know what the word deflection even means.

johnwk2:

Of course I, and I assume every poster in the thread, understands what is meant by an “economic stimulus”. But we are not talking about just any policy referred to as an “economic stimulus”. We are here talking about something specific, the Biden Administration’s “economic stimulus” under which $4.38 BILLION IN COVID CASH is being handed out to foreigners who have flooded across our borders so they may consume their economic needs from our Nation’s inventory which is made free of charge for them and without having helped to produce this inventory

If you understand about economic stimulus then why are you so adamant that there’s a difference between illegal immigrants buying stuff in American vs low-income Americans with stimulus money? There are plenty of Americans who will get stimulus checks despite not producing “inventory”.

johnwk2:

an “economic stimulus” which reasonable thinking people would agree is stimulating swarms of new poverty stricken, poorly educated, low skilled, disease carrying mentally disabled, and criminal gang members to flood across our border from Central America for the Biden Administration’s “free -cheese stimulus”.

I’m sure then you can provide evidence that they are coming here specifically for the stimulus checks.

johnwk2:

I imagine it must be painful for you with the political tax philosophy you advocate, [“From each according to their ability to pay, to each who needs help living a decent life.” - fallenturtle], to discuses and defend the Biden Administration’s "free -cheese stimulus, and what it really is “stimulating”, which most certainly is not promoting the general welfare of the United States and her citizens.

Not painful at all since I understand what economic stimulus is and how its works. Being a “reasonable thinking” person I understand that when trying to jump start the economy the citizenship status of the buyer doesn’t matter.

johnwk2:

But wouldn’t it be more productive to simply say you refuse to discuss the specifics and ramifications of the Biden Administration’s “free -cheese stimulus” than to continue deflecting, obfuscating and misdirecting the subject matter to things other than the Biden Administration’s “free-cheese stimulus” for those flooding across our southern border?

If you cared about productive conversations you’d actually answer my questions instead of deflecting and repeating yourself as if repetition is the key to winning arguments.

johnwk2 · 2021-03-29T18:17:26.454Z

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

But wouldn’t it be more productive to simply say you refuse to discuss the specifics and ramifications of the Biden Administration’s “free -cheese stimulus” than to continue deflecting, obfuscating and misdirecting the subject matter to things other than the Biden Administration’s “free-cheese stimulus” for those flooding across our southern border?

If you cared about productive conversations you’d actually answer my questions instead of deflecting and repeating yourself as if repetition is the key to winning arguments.

So, once again you avoid discussing the specifics and ramifications of the Biden Administration’s “free -cheese stimulus” under which $4.38 BILLION IN COVID CASH is being handed out to foreigners who have flooded across our borders so they may consume their economic needs from our Nation’s inventory which is made free of charge for them and without having helped to produce this inventory.

I appreciate your generalizations regarding a “stimulus”, but, the bottom line is, the Biden Administration’s immigration policies are not promoting the general welfare of the United States and her citizens . . . it has flung open the doors for the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low skilled, disease carrying, mentally impaired and criminal populations of Central America, and is now handing over $4.38 BILLION IN CASH to the flood of foreigners swarming our border, and that is in addition to the Biden Administration housing the surge of foreigners flooding into our country from Central America in expensive hotels at taxpayer expense! See: Biden is spending $86 million on hotel rooms for migrants as his administration struggles to handle the surge of families and kids trying to come to the US

March 20, 2021

“The latest decision to secure hotel rooms comes as the US is seeing the biggest surge of migrants at the border in decades, pacing towards a potential 2 million migrants at the US-Mexico border this year, The Washington Post reported. The surge is putting a heavy strain on government resources and border towns.”

And let us not forget how the children of illegal entrant’s are overburdening our public school systems and the children of American taxpaying citizens are paying the price. See: US schools — and students — will pay a price for Biden’s open borders for minors

March 16, 2021

"Their education will cost thousands of dollars a year more than for the average student because they’ll need linguistic experts, tutors, psychological counseling, vaccinations and other support.

They’ll also consume most of a classroom teacher’s attention, leaving the rest of the class to make do with less.

Even so, only 66 percent of students without English skills ever graduate.

They will struggle, but so will our own kids. This migration wave is hitting schools just as they’re reopening after the pandemic. Students have missed an entire year of school activities."

It is also important to point out how our prisons are filling with criminal aliens let into our country. See: One in five US prison inmates is a ‘criminal alien’

" For starters, 91 percent of federal criminal aliens were citizens of Mexico, Honduras, El Salvador, Dominican Republic, Colombia or Guatemala.

There were more than 730,000 criminal aliens in U.S. or state prisons and local jails during the period measured. They accounted for 4.9 million arrests for 7.5 million offenses. (The numbers, according to the GAO: 197,000 criminal aliens in federal prisons, arrested 1.4 million times for 2 million offenses, between 2011 and 2016; 533,000 in state or local facilities between 2010 and 2015, representing 3.5 million arrests for 5.5 million offenses.)"

The article continues by pointing out costs to America’s taxpaying citizens . . . “federal taxpayers shelled out more than $15 billion during the period studied — or $2.5 billion a year — to keep criminal aliens behind bars in federal, state and local facilities.”

And let us not forget the cost to American Citizens for the healthcare needs of illegal entrants. See: New NY health care law might spend over $500M on illegal immigrants

February 24, 2019

“New York legislators are pushing a new law to have the cash-strapped state spend more than $500 million to provide virtually free, taxpayer-financed health care to more than 400,000 adult illegal immigrants.”

The article continues . . . "The Gottfried-Rivera measure piggybacks a similar $100 million program touted by Mayor de Blasio that guarantees illegal immigrants in the city get basic medical care through doctors at city-run hospitals. "

The only thing the Biden Administration’s stimulus is actually stimulating is, the poverty stricken of Central America to flood into the United States and American Citizens paying the price.

JWK

The Biden/Harris socialist healthcare plan will tax America’s productive citizens and our retired Senior citizens to provide healthcare to the 1.5 million DACA and 3.6 million Dreamers in our country ___ LINK

fallenturtle · 2021-03-29T20:22:49.939Z

I understand that you don’t want illegals getting room, board, or stimulus checks because they are undeserving in your opinion… but that doesn’t negate the purpose of stimulus payments.

You have failed to show how illegal immigrants spending money in our economy that was provided via stimulus checks will not help stimulate our economy but low-income citizens spending money in our economy that was provided via stimulus checks will even if both have not contributed to our coffers.

johnwk2 · 2021-03-29T21:10:25.961Z

fallenturtle:

I understand that you don’t want illegals getting room, board, or stimulus checks because they are undeserving in your opinion… but that doesn’t negate the purpose of stimulus payments.

You have failed to show how illegal immigrants spending money in our economy that was provided via stimulus checks will not help stimulate our economy . . .

Once again you deflect! We are talking about Biden handing over $4.38 BILLION to foreigners who have invaded our borders as being a beneficial “stimulus” for American citizens.

The fact is, we have already gone over why handing $4.38 BILLION to the current flow of foreigners flooding into the United States from Central America, which allows them to consume that amount of property from our Nation’s cupboard free of charge and without having to contribute in its production, is not a beneficial stimulus for American citizens who have to work a second time to replace that consumed property in our nation inventory.

The handing over of $4.38 BILLION to the current flow of foreigners flooding into the United States from Central America so they can consume that amount from our nation’s inventory as being a beneficial stimulus for American citizens, is the same as saying a fire which consumes $4.38 BILLION in property losses for the American people is beneficial as it create jobs.

The only thing the Biden Administration’s $4.38 BILLION “stimulus” to foreigners crossing our borders is stimulating more of Central America’s poverty stricken to flood into the United States and American Citizens paying the price.

This is really not that difficult to understand . . .

JWK

The Biden/Harris socialist healthcare plan will tax America’s productive citizens and our retired Senior citizens to provide healthcare to the 1.5 million DACA and 3.6 million Dreamers in our country ___ LINK

fallenturtle · 2021-03-30T02:58:12.656Z

johnwk2:

fallenturtle:

I understand that you don’t want illegals getting room, board, or stimulus checks because they are undeserving in your opinion… but that doesn’t negate the purpose of stimulus payments.

You have failed to show how illegal immigrants spending money in our economy that was provided via stimulus checks will not help stimulate our economy . . .

roll_eyes:

Once again you deflect! We are talking about Biden handing over $4.38 BILLION to foreigners who have invaded our borders as being a beneficial “stimulus” for American citizens.

You’re accusing me of deflecting from talking about if giving stimulus checks to illegal immigrants is beneficial to talking about if giving stimulus checks to illegal immigrants is beneficial? “Inconceivable!”

johnwk2:

The handing over of $4.38 BILLION to the current flow of foreigners flooding into the United States from Central America so they can consume that amount from our nation’s inventory as being a beneficial stimulus for American citizens, is the same as saying a fire which consumes $4.38 BILLION in property losses for the American people is beneficial as it create jobs.

If I had to choose between stimulating the economy by burning down a forest or helping some poor people, I think I know which I’d choose.

johnwk2:

This is really not that difficult to understand . . .

I know, right?

johnwk2 · 2021-03-30T04:16:21.558Z

fallenturtle:

johnwk2:

The handing over of $4.38 BILLION to the current flow of foreigners flooding into the United States from Central America so they can consume that amount from our nation’s inventory as being a beneficial stimulus for American citizens, is the same as saying a fire which consumes $4.38 BILLION in property losses for the American people is beneficial as it create jobs.

If I had to choose between stimulating the economy by burning down a forest or helping some poor people, I think I know which I’d choose.

There is no mystery what your choice would be. I think everyone here knows you are in full agreement with the Biden Administration allowing foreigners, who have invaded America’s borders, to consume $4.38 Billion of America’s inventory free of charge and without helping in its production, and leaving American citizens to work a second time to restore the inventory consumed by these aliens. And that is your idea of a “stimulus” . . . helping those who swarm America’s borders at the expense of America’s citizens.

And this is how the Biden Administration is promoting the general welfare of the United States and her citizens?

JWK

The Biden/Harris socialist healthcare plan will tax America’s productive citizens and our retired Senior citizens to provide healthcare to the 1.5 million DACA and 3.6 million Dreamers in our country ___ LINK

fallenturtle · 2021-03-30T05:56:33.076Z

johnwk2:

There is no mystery what your choice would be. I think everyone here knows you are in full agreement with the Biden Administration allowing foreigners, who have invaded America’s borders, to consume $4.38 Billion of America’s inventory free of charge and without helping in its production, and leaving American citizens to work a second time to restore the inventory consumed by these aliens. And that is your idea of a “stimulus” . . . helping those who swarm America’s borders at the expense of America’s citizens.

So you’re on team forest fire, then?

johnwk2:

And this is how the Biden Administration is promoting the general welfare of the United States and her citizens?

Yes, the stimulus program helps promote the general welfare of the US and it’s citizens by stimulating our economy. Doesn’t matter if those spending the money are illegal or legal.

Perhaps one day you’ll show how illegal immigrants spending money in our economy that was provided via stimulus checks will not help stimulate our economy but low-income citizens spending money in our economy that was provided via stimulus checks will even if both have not contributed to our coffers.

Eagle-Keeper · 2021-03-30T10:29:52.627Z

hindsight:

Konssurvative1:

I googled: Joe Biden’s plan for unlimited population growth

And got nothing. So Nothing to see here.

Nah, lets debate about a false premise. It’ll be fun

Maybe this is the plan:

CNN – 30 Mar 21

Highest number of migrant children in border facilities since government...

The number of unaccompanied migrant children in border facilities reached its highest point on Sunday since the federal government began releasing data last week.

Camp · 2021-03-30T11:17:17.148Z

If the illegal Biden surge was such a boon to the place that receives them…we would see CA and NY in a bidding war to accept every single one.

NOT what I am seeing.

What I am seeing is TX getting the most against the wishes of its local leadership.

johnwk2 · 2021-03-30T12:17:55.117Z

Eagle-Keeper:

hindsight:

Konssurvative1:

I googled: Joe Biden’s plan for unlimited population growth

And got nothing. So Nothing to see here.

Nah, lets debate about a false premise. It’ll be fun

Maybe this is the plan:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/29/politics/migrant-children-border-facilities/index.html

And that’s only part of the story!

See for example Biden is spending $86 million on hotel rooms for migrants as his administration struggles to handle the surge of families and kids trying to come to the US

March 20, 2021

“The latest decision to secure hotel rooms comes as the US is seeing the biggest surge of migrants at the border in decades, pacing towards a potential 2 million migrants at the US-Mexico border this year, The Washington Post reported. The surge is putting a heavy strain on government resources and border towns.”

And let us not forget how the children of illegal entrant’s are overburdening our public school systems and the children of American taxpaying citizens are paying the price. See: US schools — and students — will pay a price for Biden’s open borders for minors

March 16, 2021

"Their education will cost thousands of dollars a year more than for the average student because they’ll need linguistic experts, tutors, psychological counseling, vaccinations and other support.

They’ll also consume most of a classroom teacher’s attention, leaving the rest of the class to make do with less.

Even so, only 66 percent of students without English skills ever graduate.

They will struggle, but so will our own kids. This migration wave is hitting schools just as they’re reopening after the pandemic. Students have missed an entire year of school activities."

It is also important to point out how our prisons are filling with criminal aliens let into our country. See: One in five US prison inmates is a 'criminal alien’

" For starters, 91 percent of federal criminal aliens were citizens of Mexico, Honduras, El Salvador, Dominican Republic, Colombia or Guatemala.

There were more than 730,000 criminal aliens in U.S. or state prisons and local jails during the period measured. They accounted for 4.9 million arrests for 7.5 million offenses. (The numbers, according to the GAO: 197,000 criminal aliens in federal prisons, arrested 1.4 million times for 2 million offenses, between 2011 and 2016; 533,000 in state or local facilities between 2010 and 2015, representing 3.5 million arrests for 5.5 million offenses.)"

The article continues by pointing out costs to America’s taxpaying citizens . . . “federal taxpayers shelled out more than $15 billion during the period studied — or $2.5 billion a year — to keep criminal aliens behind bars in federal, state and local facilities.”

And let us not forget the cost to American Citizens for the healthcare needs of illegal entrants. See: New NY health care law might spend over $500M on illegal immigrants

February 24, 2019

“New York legislators are pushing a new law to have the cash-strapped state spend more than $500 million to provide virtually free, taxpayer-financed health care to more than 400,000 adult illegal immigrants.”

The article continues . . . "The Gottfried-Rivera measure piggybacks a similar $100 million program touted by Mayor de Blasio that guarantees illegal immigrants in the city get basic medical care through doctors at city-run hospitals. "

The only thing the Biden Administration’s stimulus is actually stimulating is, the poverty stricken of Central America to flood into the United States and American Citizens paying the price.

JWK

The Biden/Harris socialist healthcare plan will tax America’s productive citizens and our retired Senior citizens to provide healthcare to the 1.5 million DACA and 3.6 million Dreamers in our country ___ LINK

fallenturtle · 2021-03-30T15:51:14.232Z

Camp:

If the illegal Biden surge was such a boon to the place that receives them…we would see CA and NY in a bidding war to accept every single one.

NOT what I am seeing.

What I am seeing is TX getting the most against the wishes of its local leadership.

It’s not a boon and I’m fairly sure the immigrants in the so-called “Biden surge” are not the same ones who are getting the stimulus checks since to get the check you need a SSN and an illegal immigrant won’t have one those unless they overstayed a visa or got an illegal one to work in the US.

Camp · 2021-03-30T16:40:27.376Z

I didn’t mention stimulus.

I just want to know why Pelosi and Schumer are not fighting to have the people all settled in THEIR districts. They are the ones who should be setting the example.

johnwk2 · 2021-03-30T17:26:20.557Z

fallenturtle:

Camp:

If the illegal Biden surge was such a boon to the place that receives them…we would see CA and NY in a bidding war to accept every single one.

NOT what I am seeing.

What I am seeing is TX getting the most against the wishes of its local leadership.

It’s not a boon and I’m fairly sure the immigrants in the so-called “Biden surge” are not the same ones who are getting the stimulus checks since to get the check you need a SSN and an illegal immigrant won’t have one those unless they overstayed a visa or got an illegal one to work in the US.

Your misrepresentation about a Social Security Number has already been debunked!

Many illegals get a SSN simply to get taxpayer benefits for their offspring, while the majority of their work is “off the books” and unreported!

But see: Millions of illegal immigrants set to get $4.38 billion in Biden COVID cash

Despite Democratic claims that illegals do not have a Social Security number required to get a share of President Biden’s $1.9 trillion COVID-19 stimulus package, several federal programs provide them to 2.65 million aliens, according to data cited by Camarota.

Based on income data, likely only 2.1 million aliens and their 1.1 million U.S. born children meet the income limits in the package, said Camarota. “In total, illegal immigrants could receive an estimated $4.38 billion in stimulus checks from the new COVID relief bill – $2.85 billion directly, and another $1.53 billion on behalf of their children,” said the analysis shared with Secrets.

The article continues by pointing out because counting the population of illegals in the U.S. is difficult due to fraud and theft of Social Security numbers, “over 2 million others could also be receiving the checks. Included in that estimate are 600,000 former guestworkers and 1.8 million the Social Security Administration estimated use numbers and names that do not match.”

JWK

The Biden/Harris socialist healthcare plan will tax America’s productive citizens and our retired Senior citizens to provide healthcare to the 1.5 million DACA and 3.6 million Dreamers in our country ___ LINK

Camp · 2021-03-30T17:35:49.385Z

Still no reply to my question.

If you invite a surge…be prepared to be the host state.