Red State Brain Drain

[STODR]

I agree

[Bill.in.PA]

Brain drain describes some of the techniques used for late-term abortions.

[Oldandtired]

Why the need to know what everyone is doing?
Seems to me every conservative posting here has said no need to run to the fainting couch the citizens who live in those states will work it out.
What the citizens decide is good for their state might not be what you want but it will be what the citizens in that state wants.
I know that many conservatives are not going to agree with the abortions laws the blue states pass. Only thing is I don’t see conservatives lighting their hair on fire because some blue state laws.

[SixFoot]

@Tguns

Personally, I think Youngkin’s ideaof 15 week with certain exceptions is sensible. Of coarse it’s not that sensible to the extremists though, so there is that.

I won’t lose my ■■■■ and start frothing at the mouth like some psycho if/when Missouri ends up with a 12-15 week limit either.

[Oldandtired]

You really don’t think being chopped to pieces during an abortion does not cause that child pain?

[zantax]

@JayJay

@Oldandtired

No reason for an abortion than is there. But you would rather kill the child before it can take one breath because it won’t live very long. How sick is that.

In what way is that sick? Wouldn’t it be more sick to make the child live through even a moment of pain once you know there’s no hope the child will come through the pain out the other side?

What would you choose? I would choose even momentary existence over none. And in the grand scheme of things, none of us get more than that.

[Jezcoe]

@Oldandtired

You really don’t think being chopped to pieces during an abortion does not cause that child pain?

The life of the fetus is terminated before that part.

[Oldandtired]

Why kill a child that can breathe on its own outside the womb for no reason?
Posts like yours are the reason I know that many leftists agree with abortion at any time. They spout the lie of only until viability, but we know that’s a lie because the next thing you know they are defending abortion up until the moment of birth.

[Oldandtired]

So first they are executed than they are chopped up. You think they don’t feel pain while they are executed?

[gooddad409]

@Oldandtired

Really there is no need for an abortion at 38 wks because the baby can be delivered by c section. At 38 wks the baby is just a couple of weeks from being born.

One of my kids was born at 31 weeks. 30 years old and healthy as can be these days.

[Jezcoe]

@Oldandtired

Why kill a child that can breathe on its own outside the womb for no reason?
Posts like yours are the reason I know that many leftists agree with abortion at any time. They spout the lie of only until viability, but we know that’s a lie because the next thing you know they are defending abortion up until the moment of birth.

We live in a world of tragedy.

We cannot pretend that there are not circumstances where a fetus will not survive long after birth.

It is a tragedy.

That tragedy is best left to the mother and the doctor and is none of the State’s business.

The State has no business forcing a birth in the situation I have described. There is no need for the State to place it’s authority on that matter.

I think that this is where we disagree.

[Jezcoe]

@Oldandtired

So first they are executed than they are chopped up. You think they don’t feel pain while they are executed?

The technology to sedate has existed for a very long time.

[Conservative_frk]

@JayJay

@Oldandtired

No reason for an abortion than is there. But you would rather kill the child before it can take one breath because it won’t live very long. How sick is that.

In what way is that sick? Wouldn’t it be more sick to make the child live through even a moment of pain once you know there’s no hope the child will come through the pain out the other side?

You do realize babies don’t need to be born to feel pain? You know that many children has survived after their mothers were told they wouldn’t? That babies have been born at 21 weeks and survived?
That special needs children born with the genetic abnormalities that are tested for before birth can still live happy loving fulfilling lives too?

[conan]

@JayJay

So you’re saying you don’t support less restrictive abortion laws? You wouldn’t be doing my work for me. You would be standing up for what you say you believe in.

Are you saying you actually don’t believe in less draconian laws, and are therefore doing what I said you were doing? Trying to pretend that you do after the damage has been done?

Iowa wastes more taxpayer money

Don’t forget who you’re talking too here. I don’t support giving goverment the power over ones body. And it doesn’t protect abortions. It protects one right to privacy. You want to continue?

Is Roe V Wade going to be overturned?

I believe it should be up to states legislation. Now having said that I still don’t want anyone to have ultimate authority over my body…but that doesn’t mean those that uses abortion as a form of birth control aren’t slime…because they are.

Why Roe v Wade should be overturned

Keep in mind their is no enumerated power granted to government over our body/bodies. Abortion exposes hypocrisy on both sides of political isle. It’s why I usually stay out of abortion threads.

United States Solicitor General declines to appeal federal judge's decision striking down statute against female genital mutilation, sends letter to Congress suggesting a Constitutional alternative statute

Calling it a strawman is cheap cop out IMO…and in most cases in bad faith as your example. When I see poster doing that I see him or her justify his or her own hypocrisy out of two possible reasons. This conversation is based on what role should goverment have on morality, religion, tradition and cultures…but instead all too many base their opinions on what is convenient instead where do the role of goverment begin and ends. Now for those two reasons. 1 they are unable to explain away their hy…

Hate Speech and Violence

McCain was your classic repug…but not a true conservative. Keep in mind their is lot of phony so-called conservatives here. They don’t believe in limited goverment. Oh they my try to tell you they do but lot of so-called conservative were totally silence when Obama was expanding goverment authority during his reign of terror. As for abortion their are couple of theories. Just because someone don’t want goverment interference doesn’t mean they aren’t conservative…they just don’t want to give the…

Should 11-year-old girls have to bear their rapists' babies? Ohio says yes

As much I’m against abortion she shouldn’t be force to carry it…no rape victim should. Now I want to know how much time that rapist got…which the article didn’t mention or discuss. Which tells me they have political agenda of their own.

Question for libs

I actually agree with you. I don’t like the the idea or concept of abortion…even if it’s in early stage. But I refuse to give the power to government. But yet all the libs on this forum demand you be vaccinated or be punished if you aren’t. Libs here has no concept of what freedom is.

Where is the Republican Congress? It's their responsibility to counter dangerous Presidential rhetoric

Again my position has been clear here. I believe the idea of abortion is extremely sick, that is my view. But the question is do you want to turn over ultimate control over ones body to the goverment? That is equally as sick IMO.

I see the Brits are behaving more and more like China each passing day

I don’t believe in abortions…but I don’t want to give goverment the power to rule our bodies…and I’m a guy. Same thing with same sex marriage…but goverment must remain neutral at all times. No exceptions. As for pot…knock yourself out.

Do you see a consistent message here Jay…then there is about another hundred going back to start of this new forum…not counting older forum.

I was looking for couple posts where I even said I’m not sure I even want my own state telling me what I can do with my body.

Try it Jay…consistency. Who know I might take you little more seriously.

[Oldandtired]

No I disagree with killing someone because they don’t have long to live. Some cancer patients are only giving a few weeks to live at the time of diagnoses. Should be just terminate them when they get the news because they won’t live long?

[Orygun]

@conan

@Orygun

I bet a lot of conservatives are.

But judging from some libs here we are all radicals that believe woman should be imprisoned for having one…even in case of rape or incest etc.

Well perhaps you as a conservative are not radical but trust me the Red state legislatures that are passing abortion bans with no exceptions definitely are.

[gooddad409]

@Conservative_frk

@JayJay

@Oldandtired

No reason for an abortion than is there. But you would rather kill the child before it can take one breath because it won’t live very long. How sick is that.

In what way is that sick? Wouldn’t it be more sick to make the child live through even a moment of pain once you know there’s no hope the child will come through the pain out the other side?

You do realize babies don’t need to be born to feel pain? You know that many children has survived after their mothers were told they wouldn’t? That babies have been born at 21 weeks and survived?
That special needs children born with the genetic abnormalities that are tested for before birth can still live happy loving fulfilling lives too?

Lots of kids that Drs said would have Downs have been born perfectly normal.

Not that Downs is an excuse to kill one’s child,

[fallenturtle]

@zantax

@conan

@JayJay

“At will abortion” is something supported by a very small percentage of Americans.

Right…I bet more then pro-life under any circumstances.

Isn’t at will abortion up to birth the current democratic position?

I don’t think there’s an official DNC position on when the cut off is. I would think if that was the common position there would be more states with no restrictions, but only Alaska, New Mexico, Oregon, Colorado, and New Jersey have no restrictions on how far along the pregnancy. “Liberal” California doesn’t allow abortions after 24 weeks except for when the health of the mother is in danger.

According to this Pew poll…
"About half of Democrats and roughly two-thirds of Republicans say the stage of pregnancy should be a factor in determining abortion’s legality. Four-in-ten Democrats and independents who lean toward the Democratic Party (40%) say the statement “human life begins at conception, so a fetus is a person with rights” describes their own view at least somewhat well, and more than half of Republicans and GOP leaners (55%) say the same about the statement “the decision about whether to have an abortion should belong solely to the pregnant woman.” "

America's Abortion Quandary

[PurpnGold]

@Oldandtired

Really there is no need for an abortion at 38 wks because the baby can be delivered by c section. At 38 wks the baby is just a couple of weeks from being born.

Correct. Therefore any abortion at that point must involve the life of the baby, right?

[zantax]

@Jezcoe

@Oldandtired

So first they are executed than they are chopped up. You think they don’t feel pain while they are executed?

The technology to sedate has existed for a very long time.

They sedate fetuses during abortion? News to me, link?