Kansas votes to NOT remove abortion protection from state constitution

It was a good thing the voters were well informed because there were some in Kansas that were putting out misleading texts to try and get people to vote for the proposal.

20% victory despite “dirty tricks”.

But those who are trying to claim “I told you Roe wouldn’t lead to outright abortion bans!”…this isn’t a validation for you.

Kansas is a red state but lucky for them they had a ruling that their state constitution protected abortion rights…therefore to pass restrictive laws, the GOP HAD to let this vote go to the people…and as we can see form above, they tried by hook or by crook to get a “yes” vote on their proposal to amend the Constitution.

You think Mississippi or Texas or North Dakota or Indiana is going to put this to a popular vote now?

Think again.

In PA we will likely get a popular vote, but it is slightly different here. The GOP is trying to push a similar constitutional amendment through that Kansas just tried…only in PA, there has never been a ruling as to whether our Constitution protects abortion rights. This amendment would emphatically say it doesn’t.

So if abortion rights advocates “win” in PA, all they will “win” is keeping it an open question.

Long story short, however…there is no “drive towards moderation” on the part of politicians. They are still being as extreme as can be.

They were thwarted in Kansas…that isn’t going to be the same case everywhere.

The PEOPLE seek moderation…their POLITICAL LEADERS do not.

So elsewhere the political leaders will do everything they can to keep this decision out of the hands of the people.

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Well-informed!

So much for the Brain Drain idea last week. :person_shrugging:

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This doesn’t even begin to make sense as a rebuttal, but nice try.

Oh, I’ll bet it doesn’t “make sense”. A lot of people look stupid and are trying to deal with that this morning. :wink:

It’s called representative democracy. If it results in favor of issues you like, you probably like it.

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we are a member in good standing with the united nations.

they has determined that the right to choose is a human right.

that the United states doesnt think so, doesnt change anything.

it is.

Allan

And they did this…by popular vote.

How long before Kansas voters are dumb hicks again after this little honeymoon surprise is over?

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Yes - by popular vote, Kansas affirmed that abortion is a right, and is thus unassailable.

With that removed, the legislature could pass measures that too many people would consider extreme. (Especially the blood-red Kansas legislature as it is comprised today.)

The effort could have offered an alternative constitutional wording with adequate exceptions. I stand by my assertion that with adequate exceptions, it would have passed by a 2-to-1 margin instead of losing 2-to-1.

Unassailable by the legislature, not by another vote on the constitution (not that they will change their minds).

Well, except for the baby getting aborted.

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Only in the sense that all Constitutional rights are assailable through amendments.

Next election where Democrats get creamed, of course. November?

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How many red states are bringing this up for popular vote as opposed to simply passing overly restrictive abortion laws?

How many do you think are going to?

Oh this is rich. Kansas didn’t go for forced pregnancies? As in, what’s the matter with? You guys might be in bigger trouble than you think.

While it is of course theoretically possible that they could have drafted a Constitutional amendment that actually placed restrictions on abortion with “adequate exceptions,” I think it’s a stretch to claim that a more restrictive Constitutional amendment would have passed, in light of this amendment’s failure.

I don’t think it’s a surprise.

We know from polling that the abortion laws being passed by a lot of red states are not favored by people in general (of all political stripes).

The PEOPLE seek moderation. Their POLITICAL LEADERS do not.

And the political leaders are going to do everything possible to avoid having the people in their states have direct say over the abortion issue.

And so it was not an “overreaction” to realize the overturning of Roe would lead to states with overly restrictive abortion laws. Many of those laws likely not being favored by the population in those states.

The Kansas result is an aberration because the people got a chance to have a direct voice.

That will not happen in most red states. Divisive, extreme politicians will make sure of it.

And then there’s the rest of us who know the deal without the need for pollsters or links to tell us what to think. :rofl:

Probably, as with most issues in a representative democracy, legislators will run based on their position on this and other issues. People will then vote for the legislator who best represents their position.