Beware of the FAIRtax 2022 Candidate Pledge

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Once again, the ringleaders of the alleged fairtax are trying to con the American people. The latest tactic is The FAIRtax 2022 Candidate Pledge

The authors of the “FairTax” suggest under their proposal the IRS will be closed down and federal income taxes will be no more. But what actually would happen is, in place of the IRS, the FairTax creates two new tax collecting agencies, the “Excise Tax Bureau” and a “Sales Tax Bureau”, not to mention H.R. 25 (its current House legislation) keeps the “Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms” open for business.

Additionally, under the FairTax, tax returns are still required to be filed by taxpayers, and twelve times a year, and Congress has power to require any type of record keeping it wants, regardless of how burdensome doing so may be to the taxpayer.

Also keep in mind the FairTax, which imposes a 23 percent tax on “all consumption of goods and services in the United States” will tax the necessities of life. To make taxing the necessities of life with an outrageous 23 percent tax tolerable, the plan creates a new federal entitlement called the “Family Consumption Allowance”. This is a monthly check sent out to every “qualified family”, which would allow them to purchase a rationed supply of tax-free articles each month.

But the Family Consumption Allowance subtility makes a large segment of society absolutely dependent on a new federal entitlement, and thus opens the door for socialists and progressives in Congress to rant and rave about the “poor” every election cycle and promise an increase in the monthly government check every time an election comes around.

While the alleged FairTax ringleaders boast it would close down the IRS and end federal income taxes, the fact is, it does not withdraw Congress’ power to lay and collect excise taxes, such as the Corporate Excise Tax of 1909, which was calculated from profits and upheld by the S.C. in Flint vs Stone Tracy ___ long before the adoption of the Sixteenth Amendment! Likewise, the FairTax does not prevent Congress from laying and collecting various other types of excise taxes on individuals, which can also be calculated from profits, gains, salaries, business sales and other “income”.

The bottom line is, the FairTax is a clever rope-a-dope plan to actually increase the federal government’s iron fisted power of taxation, and the shiny object used to delude the people is the illusion that it ends the miseries connected to the IRS, and likewise ends federal taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries, and other types of “income” when in fact it does not!

Take for example how this tax affects an ordinary married couple. Let us look at Mary and Joe, who have two children and find it necessary to earn extra money to pay their bills. Mary baby sits for neighbors in the community and cleans homes on weekends to raise extra money while Joe, who works for a plumbing company as a full-time job, also provides the same plumbing service on his own time to people living in his community to raise extra cash.

Under the alleged FairTax, Mary and Joe’s inalienable right to sell the property they have in their labor becomes a taxable event. In fact, they must first register with government to sell the property they have in their labor, and then collect a 23 percent federal tax for Congress when selling their labor, file federal sales tax returns under the penalty of perjury 12 times a year, and they will be compelled to keep any records Congress may dream up. In addition, let us not forget to mention the threat of audits will constantly haunt them if they dare to sell the property they have in their labor, and federal tax audits are still a threat to political opponents, which is exactly how American citizens now live under existing federal taxation.

So, as it turns out, the FairTax is not what it is cranked up to be and actually keeps Congress’ power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains, and other types of incomes alive, along with federal audits, and, federal taxation can still be used as a political weapon against political opponents … all this in addition to creating a new 23 percent tax on “all consumption of goods and services in the United States” and a brand new federal entitlement making people dependent upon our federal government.

The remarkable thing is, adding the following words to our Constitution would actually accomplish what the ringleaders suggest they are trying to accomplish. The question is, why do the not add the following words to H.R. 25?

The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed, and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay any tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.

NOTE: these words would return us to our Founding Father’s original tax plan as they intended it to operate! They would also end the experiment with allowing Congress to lay and collect taxes calculated from lawfully earned “incomes” which now oppresses Americas’ economic engine and robs the bread which working people have earned when selling the property each has in their own labor!

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Meh. H.R. 25 never made it past the committee last time around. Since it was introduced back in January this time around, I doubt it will make it out of committee this time around either. Much ado about nothing. As for the pledges, just more politicians making promises they don’t plan to keep to try to garner votes.

Congress is never going to abolish the income tax and all the loopholes the wealthy pay them to keep in place that go along with it. Not to mention the entire industry that continually lobbies congress annually to keep it in place because their entire business depends on it.

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Be more concerned about this from the Schumer-Manchin Inflation “Expansion” Act:

“Extra Funding for the Internal Revenue Service to Improve Taxpayer Compliance*
This provision would increase funding to the IRS by about $80 billion over the next decade to jump-start tax law enforcement through increased audits on corporations and higher-income individual filers. Some of the funding would be used to beef up taxpayer services and to modernize the IRS’s computer systems. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that this extra funding would net the Treasury about $124 billion over ten years. *Taxpayers earning less than $400,000 per year would be specifically excluded from the increased enforcement activities, per a top-level description of the agreement issued by Senators Schumer and Manchin.

BS. The middle class will be preyed upon. Bank accounts and property seized. Corporations have armies of lawyers and accountants to tie up IRS storm troopers. Manchin got his pipeline. His constituents and the rest of working Americans get the shaft.

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Yeah why bother with those big fish when they can focus on littler fish instead? Besides there’s a whole.lot more of those littler fish and their tax bills add up pretty quickly with all those extra fines and penalties the IRS can tack on. Most of those littler fish also don’t really have the means to fight them either even when the IRS screws up and is in the wrong, which also happens a lot more than people think.

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And this bill will increase the IRS’ capabilities to do just that.

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Absolutely. More hands on deck, more opportunities to screw things up. Just look at the crap still going on with unemployment after multiple new hires due to the covid stuff.

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When you write “Congress is never going to abolish the income tax . . . “, you have actually identified a subject which exposes how corrupt and dishonest Congressional Members have become, in addition to our political pundits [t.v. and talk-radio personalities] who carry water for our con artists in Congress.

It really makes no difference these days what label members of Congress masquerade under. Whether “liberal”, “conservative”, Republican or Democrat, they all have one thing in common when it comes to tax reform that is intentionally designed to preclude, as best as possible, the sufferings we now experience under one of the most corrupted system of taxation imaginable.

Congress, and their allies in our media, have joined hands in keeping the current system in place and refuse to even compare it to the benefits and wisdom of our Founding Fathers original tax plan which preempted dishonest and corrupt taxation, and likewise prevented Congress from confiscating working people’s property [their paycheck] earned by the sweat of their labor . . . the only exception being allowed was an apportioned tax in which every taxpayer across the United States would pay an equal amount, if and when a direct tax was found to be necessary to help extinguish a deficit.

As to the so-called “FairTax”, H.R. 25 is nothing more than another clever rope-a-dope gimmick which would actually enlarge the iron fist of Congress’ taxing reach and make the vast majority of our nation’s population dependent upon government for their necessities of life.

The encouraging news is, wiley, you and I finally agree on something, i.e., how corrupted Congress has become when it comes to taxation.

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JWK

“…a national revenue must be obtained; but the system must be such a one, that, while it secures the object of revenue it shall not be oppressive to our constituents.”___ ___Madison, during the creation of our Nation’s first revenue raising Act

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I am concerned over that. And I know such crap would not happen if our Constitution’s original tax plan were followed.

JWK

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Don’t the big fish have have their accountants, lawyers and lobbyists to deal with all those thorny tax issues?

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Now read the rest of it…

:roll_eyes:

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You bet they do, and under the alleged fairtax, it’s the little fish who get screwed!

The fact is anyone involved as a “seller” of a taxable property or service under the alleged “fairtax” is required to register with government and file fairtax retuns12 times a frickin year!

This means that all working-class citizens who now earn their living as an individual carpenter, plumber, handyman, painter, electrician, nanny, maid, etc., must register with government as a seller, and are subject to sending a 23 percent tax to the federal government 12 times a year calculated from their monthly earnings.

All one has to do to figure out this is a rope-a-dope scam to enlarge our federal government’s taxing powers, is to take some time and study the actual language of H.R. 25 as I have done.

I have been following this phony fairtax for almost 25 years now and was almost taken in by it when I first learned of it. Additionally, I have been involved in promoting real tax reform since the 1980s and this “reform” is nothing more than an attempted expansion of federal taxing powers, not to mention an unconstitutional expansion at that.

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Actually, the proposed FairTax would close down the IRS.

But the supporters of the alleged faitax would soon be surprised and stunned to find out Congress may still lay and collect excise taxes calculated from income under the alleged FairTax, which is a power Congress had even before the 16th Amendment was adopted.

To verify the fact Congress had power to lay and collect an excise tax calculated from income before the adoption of the 16th Amendment see Flint v. Stone Tracy Co., 220 U.S. 107 (1911)

The whole nonsense about the fairtax closing down the IRS is an illusion that laying and collecting taxes calculated from income is ended. Yes, the fairTax does close down the IRS, but in its place two new tax collecting agencies are created, one of which is the “Excise Tax Bureau” and nowhere is it restricted in the language of the fairtax from laying and collecting excise taxes calculated from income, which liberals need to fund their socialist spending spree which never ends.

As I correctly pointed out elsewhere, the shiny object used to delude fairtax supporters is the illusion that the fairtax ends the miseries connected to the IRS and taxes calculated from income, when in fact it does not!

JWK

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Not really. The Fair Tax would still need administration. The IRS would still be around, just under a different name most likely. Sort of how like INS got split into ICE and CBP and fall under DHS now.

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Interesting. So an $80 billion spending over 10 years and the hiring of “86 thousand additional IRS enforcement agents” is a shiny object??

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On that [a different named agency to harass the people] you are absolutely correct!

As I pointed out in the OP:

The authors of the “FairTax” suggest under their proposal the IRS will be closed down and federal income taxes will be no more. But what actually would happen is, in place of the IRS, the FairTax creates two new tax collecting agencies, the “Excise Tax Bureau” and a “Sales Tax Bureau”, not to mention H.R. 25 (its current House legislation) keeps the “Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms” open for business.

The ringleaders behind the so-called FairTax are very clever in selling what turns out to be a rope-a-dope proposal intentionally designed to enlarge the taxing reach of our federal government, and tighten its iron fist around the necks of Mary and Joe, our ordinary working-class people.

JWK

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This is ALL about going after the middleclass:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/as-irs-prepares-to-double-in-size-it-isn-t-the-billionaires-who-should-be-worried/ar-AA10g2In?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b66b2476c0054068ad7e75eed5a38e2b

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And the American people have it within their power to end this crap, but they need to be on the same page when it comes to tax reform. The fact is, returning to our constitution’s original tax plan would do the trick, and it begins with adding the following 32 words to our Constitution:

The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed, and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay any tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.

Adopting the above words into our Constitution would return us to our Constitution’s original tax plan as our founders intended it to operate and provides checks and balances to control the actions of Congress and are necessary for good government.

It’s time to make America great again and return to our Constitution’s original tax plan which created the environment for America to become the greatest nation on earth.

JWK

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I read that this would increase taxes on taxpayers with incomes as low as 30,000 a year.

Biden lied again with the no tax increases on incomes below 400,000 a year.

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As long as the American People are comfortable with our federal government laying and collecting taxes calculated from income, and likewise too lazy and/or apathetic to work to return to our constitution’s original tax plan as our founders intended it to operate, we will continue to suffer countless miseries and injustices which would not occur if our constitution’s original tax plan were put back into operation. And how can that be done? It can happen if enough people get behind and demand that the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment be added to our Constitution.

The Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment

“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay any tax or burden calculated from sales, profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.

NOTE: these words would return us to our founding father’s original tax plan as they intended it to operate! They would also end the experiment with allowing Congress to lay and collect taxes calculated from lawfully earned “incomes” which now oppresses America‘s economic engine and robs the bread which working people have earned when selling the property each has in their own labor, not to mention they would end federal taxation being used as a political weapon to harass and attack political opponents!

“SECTION 2. Congress ought not raise money by borrowing, but when the money arising from imposts duties and excise taxes are insufficient to meet the public exigencies, and Congress has raised money by borrowing during the course of a fiscal year, Congress shall then lay a direct tax at the beginning of the next fiscal year for an amount sufficient to extinguish the preceding fiscal year’s deficit, and apply the revenue so raised to extinguishing said deficit.”

NOTE: Congress is to raise its primary revenue from imposts and duties, [taxes at our water’s edge], and may also lay miscellaneous internal excise taxes on specifically chosen articles of consumption. But if Congress borrows and spends more than is brought in from imposts, duties and miscellaneous excise taxes during the course of a fiscal year, then, and only then, is the direct apportioned tax to be laid in order to balance the budget on an annual basis.

“SECTION 3. When Congress is required to lay a direct tax in accordance with Section 1 of this Article, the Secretary of the United States Treasury shall, in a timely manner, calculate each State’s apportioned share of the total sum being raised by dividing its total population size by the total population of the united states and multiplying that figure by the total being raised by Congress, and then provide the various State Congressional Delegations with a Bill notifying their State’s Executive and Legislature of its share of the total tax being collected and a final date by which said tax shall be paid into the United States Treasury.”

In reference to the above Section see: FIRST DIRECT TAX LAID BY CONGRESS, 1798

NOTE: our founder’s fair share formula to extinguish an annual deficit would be:

States’ population

---------------------------- X SUM TO BE RAISED = STATE’S FAIR SHARE

Total U.S. Population

The above formula, as intended by our founding fathers, is to ensure that each state’s share towards extinguishing an annual deficit is proportionately equal to its representation in Congress, i.e., representation with a proportional financial obligation! And if the tax is laid directly upon the people by Congress, then everybody taxpayer across the United States pays the exact same amount!

Note also that each State’s number or Representatives, under our Constitution is determined by the rule of apportionment:

State`s Pop.

------------------- X House size (435) = State`s No. of Representatives
U.S. Pop.

“SECTION 4. Each State shall be free to assume and pay its quota of the direct tax into the United States Treasury by a final date set by Congress, but if any State shall refuse or neglect to pay its quota, then Congress shall send forth its officers to assess and levy such State’s proportion against the real property within the State with interest thereon at the rate of ((?)) per cent per annum, and against the individual owners of the taxable property. Provision shall be made for a 15% discount for those States paying their share by ((?))of the fiscal year in which the tax is laid, and a 10% discount for States paying by the final date set by Congress, such discount being to defray the States’ cost of collection.”

NOTE: This section respects the Tenth Amendment and allows each state to raise its share of a direct tax in its own chosen way in a time period set by Congress, but also allows the federal government to enter a state and collect the tax if a state is delinquent in meeting its obligation.

"SECTION 5. This Amendment to the Constitution, when ratified by the required number of States, shall take effect no later than (?) years after the required number of States have ratified it.

What are some of the advantages of the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment?

First of all, the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment (FSBBA) would actually accomplish what the ringleaders of the fairtax suggest their tax would accomplish but doesn’t.

The FSBBA would actually end every tax calculated from legally realized sales, gains, profits, income, etc., and thus puts an end to the countless miseries inflicted upon American citizens by the IRS, including the IRS being used as a political weapon.

The FSBBA also provides a method to extinguish an annual deficit should Congress spend more than is brought in from imposts, duties and excise taxes during the course of a fiscal year.

The FSBBA also puts an end to unequal taxation when and if the federal government decides to tax the people directly, e.g., capitation, head tax, poll tax.

Internal taxes are mainly limited to excise taxes on consumption [preferably article of luxury] and since each article is to be specifically chosen with a specific amount of tax being placed on each article chosen it makes taxing consumption self-regulating, i.e., tax any article to high and it reduces the sale of the article and thus reduces tax revenue.

Now that an alternative to existing federal taxation has been offered, one that is intentionally designed for good government and ties the hands of Congress making Congress fiscally accountable every year it creates a deficit, how many people will actually step up and support it?

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And they’ve allocated $80 Billion over 10 years to expand the IRS and add 86,000 more “agents” to enforce just that.
Spending taxpayers money to enforce taxpayers to pay more in taxes?

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