Will Ukraine's "D-Day" bring an end to Russia's invasion?

I know lets give Z skyy a few.billion of unaccounted for dollars. And do not try a peaceful negotiation. Sounds like a plan… give me a ■■■■■■■ break.

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I have no ill will against ethnic Russian Ukrainians (where did you even get that idea? :face_with_raised_eyebrow:) And they are certainly not the only Ukrainians caught in the middle. Thousands of non-Russian Ukrainian civilians have been killed … some of them tortured and executed. How many innocent women do you suppose have been raped?

What we are discussing is the invasion of another country just to sate the ambitions of a powerful megalomaniac. The ethnicity of a minority of the citizens in the invaded country has nothing to do with the immorality of the act by that dictator. The entire blame for the war is on Putin as is the ability to end it immediately. It doesn’t matter what the US did or didn’t do before hand, and it isn’t up to the Chinese or the Pope to end it. One man … Putin … is responsible.

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Ethnic Russian Ukrainians is not a thing.

Indeed

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if when this is all over Z winds up in exile with a few billion in the bank somewhere.

Just an opinion.

I don’t particularly like either country. I just think we should keep our kids, grandkids, and our money out of there.

We are not the world’s policemen.

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Not sure how to describe russians immigrated to ukraine years ago (many of whom may have been tageted by Ukrainian nationalists and the Azov radical)

For that matter persons of color had problems from the the nationalists and azov radicals too.

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Well practice what one preaches.

I think you mean Russian carpetbaggers enticed by Moskow to steal Ukranians property after the Ukranians were forcibly ethnicly cleansed . ■■■■ 'em.

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Russian speaking Ukrainians.

on pain of death or “deportation”

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Putin did not send the surviving WW2 veterans either.

I have never heard an American popular song about at tank. But then again, the US was never invaded by Panzer divisions and millions of German troops.

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“Ukrainian” as a nationality was not a thing until relatively recently. While Ukrainian nationalism predates the Soviet Union, the idea was amplified by early Soviet leaders who associated Russian nationalism with the Czarist regime. That policy was reversed in the early 1930s, when Moscow recognized that Ukrainian nationalism was a danger as well.

Pre-WW1 immigrants to the US from what it now western Ukraine and bordering areas of Poland and Slovakia usually identified as “Austrian” or “Hungarian” since the area was controlled by Austria-Hungary or as “Russian” since they recognized that their Slavic dialects were related to Russian. Most were Eastern Catholics, but many converted to Russian Orthodoxy when their priests arrived with their wives and families and faced hostility from American Catholics.

The Deerhunter movie is set in one of these Russian Orthodox communities, but it used modern Russian language and music rather than the dialects and music of the actual immigrants.

There is some irony that Austria created prison camps for people from what is now western Ukraine for being too pro-Russian in WW1.

At the same time, Canada created similar camps for people from the same region for being enemy aliens.

Zelensky says counteroffensive will be delayed. Could be a bluff…could be true.

Ukraine needs more time, armored vehicles and weaponry promised by its allies before beginning its much-anticipated counteroffensive aimed at liberating hundreds of square miles of Russian-occupied land, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Thursday.

Zelenskyy, speaking to the BBC and other European broadcasters, said the attack could redraw front lines that have remained little changed for months.

“We can go forward, and, I think, be successful,” Zelenskyy said. “But we’d lose a lot of people. I think that’s unacceptable. So we need to wait; we still need a bit more time.”

Ukrainian forces are outnumbered and outgunned. There is growing recognition that a Ukrainian offensive would be suicidal.

Recognizing this reality is good starting point.

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This is probably the biggest news of the war- that the UK has sent storm shadow cruise missiles to Ukraine. These have a range of over 150 miles. That presents a serious threat to the Kerch bridge between Russia and Crimea.

If Russian brigades keep abandoning their posts like they did in Bakhmut may be it won’t be suicidal. May be….

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The greatest risk for NATO leaders is that will get what they wanted.

The wanted a bloody war of attrition in hopes of weakening Russia. They wanted regime change.

At this point the longer the war goes on, the weaker NATO gets. The longer the war goes on, the greater the likelihood that NATO leaders will be removed in elections, or the leaders will cut and run. The NATO-Russia proxy war may well end with regime change and one side severely weakened.

Time is on the side of the Russians. They appear to be in no hurry to end the war.

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I think you may not have awareness of russians who moved to ukraine years ago. Where do tou get your information from?

For Russia to leave Ukraine and stop bombing, torturing and raping Ukrainians?

I think the risk is acceptable.

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If the US cared anything about Ukrainians it would never have funded the 2014 coup, trained and armed the most violent Ukrainian extremists, and insisted on NATO membership. The US created civil war in Ukraine and deliberately ignored any legitimate security concerns from Russia.

The US has done similar things in Syria. It declared that “Assad must go”, gave funding and arms to Islamic extremists who became ISIS, and then used ISIS as the pretext for US troops occupying Syrian oil fields.

There may be a grain of truth in the neocon narrative that every overseas crisis is like Czechoslovakia in 1938. The question is which side is the dangerous, expansionist power bent on world domination?

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