That is exactly when it started, when Russia invaded in 2014.
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Hog wash
The proxy dispute will go on till someone with sense turns off the money (and china invade taiwan.)
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your denial is meaningless, we all know what happened in 2014. Russian officers infiltrated the Donbass and started the separatist movement that did not exist before Russian officers created it (Gerkin). Russian officers also infiltrated Crimea and took it over. These are simple facts. Deny them all you wish
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Repeating russian propaganda does not make it true
According to the Washington post, Forty-nine percent said they wanted to be part of the Russian Federation, with a roughly equal proportion saying they wanted to be a special autonomous region or just an ordinary part of Russia. On both sides of the line of contact, fewer than 10 percent supported independence.
That would be enirely false. in 1991, whch is when the vote was held. every single oblast, including crimea, voted for independence as an autonimous republic and part of Ukraine.
Robert F. KENNEDY JR summed up Ukraine very well . DimocrateD and repubics should listen to him.
Would i vote for Junior, probably not, but i would listen to his summation.
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why would I care what he said? I wonât be voting for him, likely disagree on 90% of what h stands for.
Indepenence FROM the corrupt Ukraine
You disagree with 98% of what I say. It is a proxiy
again false. independence from Russia as an autonimous republic and a part of Ukraine.
That would be false yet again. we likely agree on about 80-90%. we disagree on Ukraine
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NATO countries are best understood as US protectorates. Washington issues the commands, and they follow at least in terms of policies of importance to the US. In return the protectorates receive military protection from the US.
Ukraine joining NATO means it would be officially part of the empire. Of course, Ukraine already functions as an American protectorate.
No one in Washington cares a whit about whether people speak Russian or Ukrainian. The real issue of a Russian victory in Ukraine is that it would threaten the American empire of European protectorates.
The British empire had a similar system. It collapsed after WW2, and the US has taken over many of its functions.
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Wow- looks like Finland decided it wanted to be colonized by the Empire. Buncha rubes.
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If it quacks like a duck, itâs a duck.
Finland has chosen to become an American protectorate.
A protectorate, in the context of international relations, is a state that is under protection by another state for defence against aggression and other violations of law. It is a dependent territory that enjoys autonomy over most of its internal affairs, while still recognizing the suzerainty of a more powerful sovereign state without being a possession.
Protectorate - Wikipedia
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Today all i think about is the proxy dispute, tomorrow we can agree on a lot of other topics. 
Free Ireland.
No doubt. It would have been much smarter for Finland to have invited Russia to take their country over.
what a completely asinine assertion.
Where is Ukraine getting 90% of the tanks its getting?
Where is Ukraine getting 90% of the IFVâs its getting?
Where has Ukraine gotten 90% of its air defense systems?
Where has Ukraine gotten 100% of the aircraft its getting?
Where has Ukraine gotten 80% of the artillery its getting?
Where has Ukraine gotten 60% of the MLRS its gotten?
Thats some pretty damned well armed âprotectoratesâ
Where we have given more is ammunition. Thats because we have it.
There is however one problem that will come u in the future. Europe is about tapped out on spares. So once this counter offensive is over, the US is about the only place left to get â â â â from
