Who shot Ashli Babbitt?

Who says? You? Did it have a sign on it saying, “Trespassers beyond this point will be shot”?

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That’s what it takes for it to be an imminent threat.

You know it was the last line of defense. Don’t be obtuse.

No, it wasn’t don’t be dumb.

Even if let’s say that the door was which it wasn’t, Byrd wasn’t for sure

So what was?

The hallway in which Byrd along with other capitol police and i believe secret service were standing. Behind him were more armed men and another hallway in which the Congress people were hiding

Armed capitol police in full swat gear walked away from the door moments before she breached it. The argument that it was the last line of defense fails just based on that

He got scared or he wanted to make a point. He had options. The question becomes is if he doesn’t shoot her do the rest of the secret service and or capitol police kill even more people as they breach the door and hallway.

Nobody talks about that because that makes babbit an example … a reason why everyone else stopped going forward.

Thank you. I can understand why reasonable people disagree about what happened. I tend to give Byrd the benefit of the doubt and can accept why others don’t. It’s just the hyperbole that bugs me.

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Oooh a big word! Maybe I should capitulate. :laughing:

Last line of defense implies there was something to defend against. None of the protesting trespassers in that stairwell were armed, and other than break the windows weren’t even being violent. (The unarmed employees who stood in front of those doors weren’t abused in any manner.) And the several other armed plainclothes cops in the corridor didn’t even see enough threat to unholster their weapons. And of course, had the presented a threat the SWAT team in the stairway with them would have seen it and acted.

You have no case. There was no threat (last defense or not) and thus no legal justification to shoot anybody.

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Hard to say. Byrd was guarding an empty room.

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You tend to ignore facts and make things up, that’s what you do. :smirking_face:

The first image below is the general layout of the Capital Building.

The second image zooms in on the area in question. The blue arrow is the barrier door to the Speaker Lobby that the mob breached, the green arrow is to the entrance door to the House chamber. The third image is from inside the House Chamber with the doors just on the other side of the Speaker Lobby barrier. The doors are litterally steps beyond where the barrier was breeched.

#1 Congress, their staff, and civilians weren’t in “another hallway”, they were in the Chamber.

#2 The thirs picture shows the police in front of the door being confronted by the armed (melee weapons) violent mob, they were no in “rull riot gear”. They were in street uniforms.

#3 “He got scared” probably, anyone would be when having just witnessed an armed (melee) weapon mob break through the last barrier before the mob would have access to Congress. “Scared” does not mean paniced. With a single, controlled discharge of his firearm center mass he prevented the rioters from getting to Congress for cruitical seconds while support arrived.

#4 I agree, Lt. Byrd (now Capt. Byrd after his promotion) probably saved lives that day by holding the thin blue line. If the armed (melee weapons) violent mob had actually entered in mass and entered the House Chamber, there would have been a bloodbath as slaw enforcement stationed at the other entrance to the Speak Lobby and those within the Chamber did their duty. The fourth image below is taken from inside the House Chamber showing other armed personnel in the Chamber. However this shot shows them on the other side of the chamber barricading doors with weapons drawn away from the back of the chamber that the Speaker Lobby mob was breaching. If the mob had come rushing through the back doors, it would have been very bad. Lt. Byrd prevented that.

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(You can tell this last image is from the other side of the chmber because of the seats visible in the lower right facing the main dias platform and the way thh seats curve.

Thicker than bear grease.

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Right so he was in fact in a hallway. There were also Congress people him after the speakers lobby. Who were hiding in the area behind speakers lobby which is also a hallway but yes i see the chamber to the right of the doorways through which Babbit was climbing.

So he wasn’t the last line of defense. While i agree with the likely outcome had he not shot her there were other options to stop them from going forward including not letting them breach the door by the swat dressed officers who walked away from it

The guards in front of the door had strolled away so they considered her no threat.

Byrd murdered her for no particular reason.

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You’ve used that phrase “swat dressed officers” a couple of times. The officers in front of the barricade that were ordered away were not “swat dressed officers”. They were in street uniforms, not outfitted with helmets, batons, shields, body armor, etc.

They were uniforms cops.

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lots of laughs. MAGA covered glasses. reality is wheels were turning away from him.

Allan

In such a way that hit him as she tried to evade arrest. Head on is t the only way to hit someone,intentionally.

You are absolutely right. Wow i have no idea how i got into my head that they were in helmets etc.

The cops behind them had helmets and were dressed in swat gear not in front

A MN citizen was shot dead. Seems like an appropriate lane.