What would our government do differently/better/cheaper if it controlled the entire health care market?

[adroit]

@Grimalken

Which seems to be the myopic view that it’s either pay as you go, or buying health care insurance, or a complete government takeover with a socialist styled universal health care.

There’s nothing inherently socialist about a universal health care system.

[Grimalken]

@mobulis

And yet it was the govt that had to break up monopolies, and business hates competition.

It’s precisely that market competition which promote innovation and change, all for the better.

[WuWei]

@BlueTex

Sneaky is dragging out the flag and making the argument that veterans have earned their care through their service. The argument attempts to lift VA medical care to some exulted status that is “different” ignoring the fact that well over 60% of VA medical care is for non-service related conditions. I would be fine with providing a special class of Medicare Super Duper for all us veterans

You couldn’t be more wrong if you tried. I don’t need an interpreter and if I did you aren’t qualified.

I asked a question and I’m still waiting on an answer.

[Grimalken]

@adroit

There’s nothing inherently socialist about a universal health care system.

Government taking over control of an entire industry, is not inherently a socialist concept? What is it to you then, just a common sense progression?

[WuWei]

@adroit

Nothing to do with nobility, just a service provided by our society through public funding. Like running water, sewage, roads, police, etc.

You his spokesman now?

You don’t pay for water and sewage?

[WuWei]

Finally. So how does who owns the hospitals give medicare the advantage?

[WuWei]

@adroit

Yes, it does cost money, but not one argued otherwise.

Then it’s not publicly funded. Which you did argue.

[zantax]

@BlueTex

@wiley8425

Of course you do. Here you are in this very thread trying to rationalize a proposal you haven’t actually read… Very astute.

I’m not actually trying to rationalize any specific proposal here… Medicare for all or any other proposal’s support won’t come from the members on hannity.com. It’s building with the millions of American’s who see the real results of our health care system today. They are the ones who will vote in members who will work to create a solution…

Sure and at the rate we’re going, future generations will work almost exclusively to pay for medical care in an effort to live forever. They’ll voluntarily enslave themselves to eke out another twenty years as decrepit senile old people. Or to put it another way, just because we can keep someone alive that the cost of a million dollars, doesn’t mean it is a wise use of our resources to do so. But all the do good people will insist it be done with ever more complex and expensive medical treatments until most of the economy is bent to support it, or we go broke trying.

I prefer we ration such cost with price and if you can’t afford it, you don’t get it. Liberals would prefer to make me a slave to pay for it for those who can’t pay for it themselves.

[reflechissez]

@Grimalken

@reflechissez

You could pay out of pocket. No one is stopping you. It’s only a problem if you ever need medical care.

That’s the problem, people like you think either you buy insurance, or pay out of pocket directly.

Let me guess, you view our only options, as paying big insurance corporations, a complete government takeover with single payer insurance, or socialist universal health care fully taxpayer funded.

And your solution is…?

[zantax]

@Drs

@zantax

So what? I bet we spend more on cars too. And concert tickets, and groceries. When people have more to spend, they spend more. We also have more health problems, obesity for example, that leads to more spending on healthcare too.

Nope I tend to buy tickets for concerts and sports in the US as it is cheaper.

Groceries are more expensive here but minimum wage is also 14 dollars an hour.

I said spend more, not cost more.

[WuWei]

I am willing to consider single payer and even try it. But you libs have an idea, not a plan.

If I have to have insurance policies also, it’s not single payer any more, now is it?

Claiming we can do it like Norway or Sweden is horse hockey too. We might be able to get some ideas, but they are completely different from us.

[reflechissez]

@Grimalken

@adroit

There’s nothing inherently socialist about a universal health care system.

Government taking over control of an entire industry, is not inherently a socialist concept? What is it to you then, just a common sense progression?

When you are eligible for medicare, are you going to refuse it?

[zantax]

@reflechissez

@Grimalken

@reflechissez

You could pay out of pocket. No one is stopping you. It’s only a problem if you ever need medical care.

That’s the problem, people like you think either you buy insurance, or pay out of pocket directly.

Let me guess, you view our only options, as paying big insurance corporations, a complete government takeover with single payer insurance, or socialist universal health care fully taxpayer funded.

And your solution is…?

Buy what you can afford or do without.

[reflechissez]

@zantax

@BlueTex

@wiley8425

Of course you do. Here you are in this very thread trying to rationalize a proposal you haven’t actually read… Very astute.

I’m not actually trying to rationalize any specific proposal here… Medicare for all or any other proposal’s support won’t come from the members on hannity.com. It’s building with the millions of American’s who see the real results of our health care system today. They are the ones who will vote in members who will work to create a solution…

Sure and at the rate we’re going, future generations will work almost exclusively to pay for medical care in an effort to live forever. They’ll voluntarily enslave themselves to eke out another twenty years as decrepit senile old people. Or to put it another way, just because we can keep someone alive that the cost of a million dollars, doesn’t mean it is a wise use of our resources to do so. But all the do good people will insist it be done with ever more complex and expensive medical treatments until most of the economy is bent to support it, or we go broke trying.

I prefer we ration such cost with price and if you can’t afford it, you don’t get it. Liberals would prefer to make me a slave to pay for it for those who can’t pay for it themselves.

What does this have to do with the post you responded to?

[johnrandolph]

Government is incapable of improving anything or doing it cheaper.

[wiley8425]

@WuWei

If I have to have insurance policies also, it’s not single payer any more, now is it?

Bingo. Half these guys don’t have a clue what they’re talking about. Last I checked there were 3 different bills (that never made it to a vote – yeah, they’re THAT bad) and none of them looks anything like what they think this is going to be.

[zantax]

@reflechissez

@zantax

@BlueTex

@wiley8425

Of course you do. Here you are in this very thread trying to rationalize a proposal you haven’t actually read… Very astute.

I’m not actually trying to rationalize any specific proposal here… Medicare for all or any other proposal’s support won’t come from the members on hannity.com. It’s building with the millions of American’s who see the real results of our health care system today. They are the ones who will vote in members who will work to create a solution…

Sure and at the rate we’re going, future generations will work almost exclusively to pay for medical care in an effort to live forever. They’ll voluntarily enslave themselves to eke out another twenty years as decrepit senile old people. Or to put it another way, just because we can keep someone alive that the cost of a million dollars, doesn’t mean it is a wise use of our resources to do so. But all the do good people will insist it be done with ever more complex and expensive medical treatments until most of the economy is bent to support it, or we go broke trying.

I prefer we ration such cost with price and if you can’t afford it, you don’t get it. Liberals would prefer to make me a slave to pay for it for those who can’t pay for it themselves.

What does this have to do with the post you responded to?

It was a prediction of what they will vote for as a solution and my opinion of it. Why does this need to be explained to you?

[reflechissez]

@WuWei

I am willing to consider single payer and even try it. But you libs have an idea, not a plan.

If I have to have insurance policies also, it’s not single payer any more, now is it?

Claiming we can do it like Norway or Sweden is horse hockey too. We might be able to get some ideas, but they are completely different from us.

Medicare is insurance. Are you complaining about paying for an additional policy if you want additional benefits?

[reflechissez]

@zantax

@reflechissez

@zantax

@BlueTex

@wiley8425

Of course you do. Here you are in this very thread trying to rationalize a proposal you haven’t actually read… Very astute.

I’m not actually trying to rationalize any specific proposal here… Medicare for all or any other proposal’s support won’t come from the members on hannity.com. It’s building with the millions of American’s who see the real results of our health care system today. They are the ones who will vote in members who will work to create a solution…

Sure and at the rate we’re going, future generations will work almost exclusively to pay for medical care in an effort to live forever. They’ll voluntarily enslave themselves to eke out another twenty years as decrepit senile old people. Or to put it another way, just because we can keep someone alive that the cost of a million dollars, doesn’t mean it is a wise use of our resources to do so. But all the do good people will insist it be done with ever more complex and expensive medical treatments until most of the economy is bent to support it, or we go broke trying.

I prefer we ration such cost with price and if you can’t afford it, you don’t get it. Liberals would prefer to make me a slave to pay for it for those who can’t pay for it themselves.

What does this have to do with the post you responded to?

It was a prediction of what they will vote for as a solution and my opinion of it. Why does this need to be explained to you?

You’re having an argument that no one is having. Carry on.

[WuWei]

@reflechissez

Medicare is insurance. Are you complaining about paying for an additional policy if you want additional benefits?

Is it still single payer?

I’m not complaining about anything. Do you have anything to contribute or are you just going to yap like always?