What about the American Farmers?

He is correct. Which is likely why you chose not to attempt to refute it. Farmers are getting throttled right now because of the Trump trade wars. Here in SW MO it is a HUGE problem and topic of discussion virtually everywhere I go. Farms that have been passed down for generations are laying off people and/or shuttering completely as a result of the financial losses they are suffering.

I genuinely hope an agreement is reached soon with China, because I cannot stand seeing my neighbors suffer as they are. But I’m also not optimistic that anything revolutionary will come of these talks. It will likely go the same way as NAFTA 2.0 or the trade agreement with SK. Minor changes at the margins, and then spun as the greatest deal ever achieved.

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Oh you’re now saying the bill doesnt say that?

Ironically enough you would be howling mad had Obama hurt farmers across flyover country in the same way Trump is. But because it’s Trump he gets a pass from you for some odd reason.

Yep. All because Obama negotiated it, and without any plan once it was killed. TPP was far from perfect. But all large trade deals like this are going to have their issues and will never be perfect. But it would have absolutely benefitted us against China and pushed them to become more fair in their trade with us.

And you’re exactly right, when this is all done, we will be lucky if we scrape our way back to just even from where we once were. But the damage to real Americans will have already been done.

This visible fear of AOC from the Trump worshipers is hilarious. She’s not the President, she’s not Speaker, she’s just one member in the House. She doesn’t represent the entire Democratic party and she’s not going to turn the world upside down. Calm yourselves.

And the only reason she is being held up as this big figure “super star” is because the conservative media reports on her like she is. If theres a decent looking minority being successful in politics, you can bet that conservative media will put them in the spotlight to get people afraid. I like how fox news always refers to her as “darling” or “socialist superstar”.

What you are describing has been a continual decline over the last four decades. Most of the Farms in Iowa and MO have only been kept afloat by heavy subsidies for the Ethanol industry.

If they are going to survive long term it’s going to require us getting a much better deal with China including broader access to their markets for all our ag products.

Sounds like socialism

The leftwing media made her a superstar as did the DNC by heavily promoting her.’

She’s become the favorite joke of the Republican party as a result of her exposure.

Not even nearly in the way conservative media has pumped her up. Do a count here on this forum. How mant AOC threads were created by liberals vs. how many by conservatives afraid of something?

The republicans got destroyed over the budget agreement. The republican’s attempt to make Nancy Pelosi the boogeyman failed. No one should be surprised that republicans are going after AOC, a freshman congresswoman with no power and a bill going nowhere.

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What does that have to do with anything? Threads are created here based on what’s in the news.

Conservative news. Thats the point. Conservative news blows up AOC. Conseevatives come here and create threads about her in large numbers.

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Yep. No one is thinking about not getting the wall or ACA repealed anymore, or the deficit, now that AOC is a threat to our nation

No, not just “conservative news”.

MSNBC, CNN and the big three made her the superstar she is, of course conservatives and republicans are going to react.

I don’t disagree here. But Trump hastened this decline dramatically with his trade wars. If there isn’t resolution soon, many more will suffer greatly.

Conservative news is what blew up her national status to be talked about evrry day

You all miss my point, The New Green Deal wants to eliminate fossil fuels which would eliminate the internal combustion engine. What do you replace it with? Electric combines, tractors and other farming equipment? That’s comical to even suggest and flys in the face of reality. If we’re to eat healthy you need vegetables and other greens that have to be grown. What does farmers filing bankruptcy have to do with how we’re going to grow crops to feed America?

Filing bankruptcy?

In the long run as economically viable, yes. So what?