We are losing the war on Christmas

[Jezcoe]

@Smyrna

@Jezcoe

Still super missing the point.

The original claim was that the Americans Dream can only exist because of Christians because “
Christians in their quest to learn to Love The Lord with all of their heart, help create an environment of love, family values and fair play for all around them.“

Looking at the history of this country it is inpossible to argue that “fair play for all around them” has occurred in this country… even for fellow Christians.

I went to the low hanging fruit that this country is built on the systematic destruction of the native peoples and their culture… which is certainly not fair play… but there are myriad of other examples where fair play did not exist.

So that throws out the myth that it was “Christians”… not t be confused with the various forms of Christianity that people choose to believe in… fosters fair play for all. That claim cannot be justified if someone knows just the tiniest bit of US history.

But go on and believe whatever cartoon argument you want to believe and be sure to respond with an emoji.

No my friend…you’re missing the point. What I said is true. What you’re saying is true. There are many who call themselves Christians that there actions determine they are not. Ok…now that that’s out of the way…this country would not exist, except for the blood of Christians…PERIOD.

One cannot change the definition of who is and isn’t “Christian” based on whatever criteria you want to set.

It doesn’t work like that.

They were Christians. A lot of them used their faith to justify their actions. To justify the unjustness, unfairness and suffering that they supported.

Heck… it is still on full display today.

[Smyrna]

@Jezcoe

One cannot change the definition of who is and isn’t “Christian” based on whatever criteria you want to set.

It doesn’t work like that.

It does work like that my friend. This is a spiritual matter and not a political one. You can label yourself what ever you please but it is Christ who determines His own.

Once again, horrific acts were, are and will be done in Christ’s name but those that commit them, prove themselves not to be Christians. A priest who molests a child is not a Christian…even though they appear to be one. If there is a bright side, the acts of love by Christians far exceed the horrific acts committed by those claiming to be Christian.

[Jezcoe]

@Smyrna

@Jezcoe

One cannot change the definition of who is and isn’t “Christian” based on whatever criteria you want to set.

It doesn’t work like that.

It does work like that my friend. This is a spiritual matter and not a political one. You can label yourself what ever you please but it is Christ who determines His own.

Once again, horrific acts were, are and will be done in Christ’s name but those that commit them, prove themselves not to be Christians. A priest who molests a child is not a Christian…even though they appear to be one. If there is a bright side, the acts of love by Christians far exceed the horrific acts committed by those claiming to be Christian.

Yeah… I hate to be cliche but that is one of the most classic logical fallacies that you are arguing there. Guess which one it is.

One cannot claim that the failures of the past using faith to justfy the society that they built were invalid by the standards you want to define today.

The world doesn’t work that way.

[Smyrna]

@Jezcoe

Yeah… I hate to be cliche but that is one of the most classic logical fallacies that you are arguing there. Guess which one it is.

One cannot claim that the failures of the past using faith to justfy the society that they built were invalid by the standards you want to define today.

The world doesn’t work that way.

There was an agreement made in 1986 that once the one side was completed, the other was discarded and here “we” are again over 3 decades later. Now…build the wall or shut down it all.

[Call_me_Ishmael]

I have hope now. Since Trump has brought back our American traditions, I’m hearing more people say “Have a merry Christmas”. Without threat of Loretta Lynch arresting them for a hate crime, these people are probably very happy to have that freedom again.

[LucyLou]

Lol that there were people who spent eight years not saying “Merry Christmas” for fear of getting arrested by the DOJ AG for hate crimes.

[PurpnGold]

Wow…

Were all of the artist that sang “we wish you a merry Christmas” arrested? The Macy’s day parade participants and coordinators?

[mobulis]

@Call_me_Ishmael

@madasheck

@Call_me_Ishmael

@JayJay

@Smyrna

@Jezcoe

Maybe this country would be a better place if we didn’t ignore our history and try to minimize the price that people paid in order to have a cozy myth.

History is just that…it’s history. Today is today and if you don’t like something from the past, don’t repeat it today. Give your best efforts and attempt to be profitable for all. You can go live in the past but I don’t have time. My time here is finite.

He’s not living in the past.

He’s dispelling the myth you believe that Christian culture fosters an environment of peace, love, and fair play for all.

This has never been a Christian country… right? Remember the narrative? Never has been a Christian country. Do you disagree?

Funny to read that since Fox has acting like it is since it’s been perpetrating the War on Christmas for years now.

But you know it’s not … right? Not a Christian country and never has been. Right?

Right…

[mobulis]

@Call_me_Ishmael

@Bodecea

@Call_me_Ishmael

@JayJay

@Smyrna

@Jezcoe

Maybe this country would be a better place if we didn’t ignore our history and try to minimize the price that people paid in order to have a cozy myth.

History is just that…it’s history. Today is today and if you don’t like something from the past, don’t repeat it today. Give your best efforts and attempt to be profitable for all. You can go live in the past but I don’t have time. My time here is finite.

He’s not living in the past.

He’s dispelling the myth you believe that Christian culture fosters an environment of peace, love, and fair play for all.

America is not a Christian country. Remember?

Thus being a myth.

So then it cannot be a Christian country that perpetrated atrocities upon natives and enslaved Africans… as was suggested by your progressive liberal God hating colleagues earlier in this thread. Thanks for confirming that.

Nope it was Christian PEOPLE.

[mobulis]

@Call_me_Ishmael

You made your choice. Now it seems you are having regrets. The logic says both can’t be true. So in the test of logical fire, the lie is revealed. Please don’t grovel now.

:invisible_emoji:

We are not a Christian nation but Christians still did it.

[mobulis]

@Smyrna

@Jezcoe

Still super missing the point.

The original claim was that the Americans Dream can only exist because of Christians because “
Christians in their quest to learn to Love The Lord with all of their heart, help create an environment of love, family values and fair play for all around them.“

Looking at the history of this country it is inpossible to argue that “fair play for all around them” has occurred in this country… even for fellow Christians.

I went to the low hanging fruit that this country is built on the systematic destruction of the native peoples and their culture… which is certainly not fair play… but there are myriad of other examples where fair play did not exist.

So that throws out the myth that it was “Christians”… not t be confused with the various forms of Christianity that people choose to believe in… fosters fair play for all. That claim cannot be justified if someone knows just the tiniest bit of US history.

But go on and believe whatever cartoon argument you want to believe and be sure to respond with an emoji.

No my friend…you’re missing the point. What I said is true. What you’re saying is true. There are many who call themselves Christians that there actions determine they are not. Ok…now that that’s out of the way…this country would not exist, except for the blood of Christians…PERIOD.

Nope would still exist.

[mobulis]

@Smyrna

@Jezcoe

One cannot change the definition of who is and isn’t “Christian” based on whatever criteria you want to set.

It doesn’t work like that.

It does work like that my friend. This is a spiritual matter and not a political one. You can label yourself what ever you please but it is Christ who determines His own.

Once again, horrific acts were, are and will be done in Christ’s name but those that commit them, prove themselves not to be Christians. A priest who molests a child is not a Christian…even though they appear to be one. If there is a bright side, the acts of love by Christians far exceed the horrific acts committed by those claiming to be Christian.

The fact that the church covered it up says your wrong.

[Call_me_Ishmael]

@PurpnGold

Wow…

Were all of the artist that sang “we wish you a merry Christmas” arrested? The Macy’s day parade participants and coordinators?

‘Merry Christmas’ Appears on the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Hashtags Hate...

[PurpnGold]

How many people were arrested for saying Merry Christmas?

[LucyLou]

@PurpnGold

How many people were arrested for saying Merry Christmas?

Still at zero.

[Call_me_Ishmael]

@PurpnGold

How many people were arrested for saying Merry Christmas?

Those who have carried water for Obama and his lying AG seem to be content asking the same question you asked. But those who have been fired, demoted, admonished, and ridiculed for saying “Merry Christmas” might say that your question is misguided. One should not have to wait for arrests to realize that there is and has been a war on Christmas by the left.

Here is how Obama decorated the White House Christmas tree… celebrating the life of the leftist messiah, the murderer Mao Zedong.

Mao's Great Leap Forward 'killed 45 million in four years'

[LucyLou]

So Loretta Lynch still arrested zero people for hate crimes for saying “Merry Christmas.”

[dubarry20833]

Independence Day is an American tradition. Thanksgiving is an American tradition. Veterans Day is an American tradition. Christmas is not. I wish Christians would stop forcing their religion on everyone. Those that do are no different than forcing sharia law.

[Call_me_Ishmael]

@LucyLou

So Loretta Lynch still arrested zero people for hate crimes for saying “Merry Christmas.”

This should make it easier for you to carry her water.

[LouC]

@Call_me_Ishmael

@PurpnGold

How many people were arrested for saying Merry Christmas?

Those who have carried water for Obama and his lying AG seem to be content asking the same question you asked. But those who have been fired, demoted, admonished, and ridiculed for saying “Merry Christmas” might say that your question is misguided. One should not have to wait for arrests to realize that there is and has been a war on Christmas by the left.

Here is how Obama decorated the White House Christmas tree… celebrating the life of the leftist messiah, the murderer Mao Zedong.

Mao's Great Leap Forward 'killed 45 million in four years' | The Independent | The Independent

OMG

Please don’t tell me you are still hanging onto that insane Right Wing lunacy?

You remind me of avergbear and his obsession with that ornament.

OK

One more time for you and for those people who are clueless as to what really transpired in the Obama White House!

There was no celebration of Mao in the Obama White House, that is and has been a perpetuating fact free lie from the Right Wing.

Was there ONE ornament placed upon ONE White House Christmas tree that had an approximate six square inch image of Mao on it?

Yes.

That year, 2009, for the White House Christmas Trees, multiple artists across the nation had been commissioned, earlier, to submit over 800 individually decorated ornaments. Ornamets that had previously hung in the White House but were being repurposed and showcasing American artistic talent from 60 different communities. Of which that is just one ornament, with the image of Mao.

As I said that image of Mao comprised about 6 square inches worth of space on one of hundreds of submitted ornaments. It was on an ornament that also had other images in decoupage similarly affixed to it.

About that “mini” image of Mao. If one had a clue they would know that the original image that is seen copied there on that ornament is from a famous set of Andy Warhol Mao prints that he did, on Mao, and that those prints had never been flattering to Mao as Andy had given Mao lipstick covered lips, rouged cheeks, and eye makeup. His images no doubt would have gotten him executed or sent to prison if he had been a Chinese artist and displayed them there in China. The Warhol Mao images are on display as part of their collection at the Art Institute of Chicago.

So go ahead. Pretend there was some nefarious “deeper meaning” with that artists commissioned small ornament being on ONE White House Tree ONE time.

You might just look the fool to those of us in the know!

First Lady Michelle Obama began her White House Christmas planning with a very simple idea: to include as many people, in as many places, in as many ways as possible.

In 2009, Mrs. Obama asked 60 local community groups from around the nation to "Reflect, Rejoice, Renew," and redecorate 800 ornaments from previous White House administrations. The ornaments paid tribute to favorite local landmarks including the Statue of Liberty, Mount Rushmore, and Lincoln Park Zoo in Chicago.

Michelle Obama Celebrates with the American People

The Great Christmas Ornament Scandal, Part 2