WAR in Ukraine, Putin approves initiation of special military operation (Part 2)

Are there any other country on this list that is worth $110 Billion U.S. taxpayer dollars and increasing. And not to mention were broke.

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there would be no war if russia never invaded in the first place. of course it would end if they left

No, the civil war that started in 2014 after the US-backed coup would still be going on. The Ukrainian shelling of civilians in Donbas would still be going on. The 2015 peace agreements that guaranteed autonomy to Russian-speaking areas of eastern Ukraine would still be ignored.

Angela Merkel recently admitted that the Minsk agreements were meant to give Ukraine time to build up its military and were not intended to provide actual peace:

“The 2014 Minsk agreement was an attempt to give time to Ukraine. It also used this time to become stronger as can be seen today. The Ukraine of 2014-2015 is not the modern Ukraine.”–Angela Merkel
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/merkel:-minsk-agreement-attempted-to-give-ukraine-time

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/moscow-finds-the-merkel-confessions-concrete-grounds-for-a-t

Of course, US troops and massive amounts of US weapons going to support the Saudi-led bombing campaign and invasion in Yemen are rarely mentioned in the US media.

Great post.

They admit to $50B so far, so it’s probably double that.

thee was no coup; however, yes russia did invade ukraine in 2014.

The best evidence is that many of the Maidan shootings originated from nationalist extremists. The case put forth by the Ukrainian government was quickly debunked in western media.

The deaths were used as a pretext to remove the elected president. From what I see, the circumstances were similar to the Czechoslovak coup in 1948 but with greater bloodshed.

Russia already had a large military base in Sevastopol. Russian troops occupied the rest of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea with the consent of the local government in 2014. The situation was similar to that of US forces in the Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija. If Russia invaded Crimea in 2014, then the US invaded Kosovo in 1999.

Russia sent military aid and brought in foreign fighters to support forces associated with Russian-speaking Ukrainians in Donbas who pushed for local autonomy. The local autonomy was later recognized in the 2015 Minsk agreements. The US provided similar support to Muslim minorities in Yugoslavia in the 1990s.

Ukraine is Yugoslavia 2.0 with Russia following the playbook created by the US.

Nothing in the article you posted suggests that the protestors were shot by the neo Nazis.

I know why you posted that article because it’s a prelude to an argument that you already made a few times and failed. Again. Nice try though.

Czechoslovak coup of 1948 used constitutional means to install a Communist-dominated government that evolved into a Soviet puppet state. The coup marked the beginning of a bitter Cold War that lasted for another 40 years.

Unlike the 2014 Maidan coup, there were no major acts of violence in the 1948 coup. Instead the installation of a Soviet-dominated government was achieved through a mixture of intimidation and subversion while nominally following the constitutional processes.

The leader of C14 noted that they and their violent allies were critical to the success of the Maidan protests: “If not for the nationalists, the whole thing would have turned into a gay parade . . .”

There were acts of violence later in chehzoslovakia

I just can’t remember whose tanks rolled in. Oh yeah ussr tanks.

Yes, and 15,000 Ukrainians died in the Civil War that followed the 2014 coup up to February 2022.

The 1948 coup was orchestrated with the support of the Soviets. The 2014 coup was orchestrated with the direct involvement of the US.

Yeah if only Russia didn’t feed the separatist notions and don’t orchestrate the civil war…

You keep ignoring that part … on purpose

Yes, Ukrainian ultranationalists could have instituted a program of repression and ethnic cleansing years earlier. Everything would be wonderful.

See video starting at 2:00

Could have would have should have. Russia started the civil war in 2014.

Ukrainians started the civil war in 2014.

If you believe that Russia started the civil war than you are agreeing with Putin that Russians and Ukrainians are really one nation.

Well no. But for the separatists separating…. That started the civil war. And that was driven by ….

Russia fomented the civil war in Ukraine. You know what i meant.

The Minsk agreements called for limited autonomy, but the Ukrainian government and its overlords in Washington refused to implement that.

The election of Donald Trump interrupted plans for an offensive by Kyiv against its own citizens in eastern Ukraine in 2017.

Here is a summary of evidence that implicates far-right nationalists with a large portion of the Maidan shootings.

As noted in another thread,Canadian peacekeepers reported that similar false flags were used by groups supported by the US in Yugoslavia to falsely implicate Serbs in atrocities.

Yugoslavia 2.0

You are bypassing 2014 again because it’s hard to admit what’s staring you in the face

Yes yes this was where you were headed i already said that. But thanks for the confirmation

The Mariupol video I posted is from 2014. It shows the Ukrainian army being jeered by angry Ukrainians as fascist occupiers. Where are the Russians?

I agree the Russian invaded Crimea with the support of the local government just like the US invaded Kosovo in 1999. The Russian military did not enter Donbas until 2022. Until then the Russians send aid to the local militia.

Foreign fighters from many countries have been going to fight in Ukraine since 2014.