WAR in Ukraine, Putin approves initiation of special military operation (Part 2)

Again but for Russia…. The separatism nonsense is just that.

That some in their populace approved of it doesn’t make it any less true that Russia fomented separatism and then armed separatists.

Once you acknowledge that then we can move on to your other fun assertions. You won’t though so here we are.

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lol… now you believe western media. backed up with a “study” from a leftist canadian university.

no-one “removed” the pro russian putin puppet. he got in his car and drove himself to russia. russia then invaded ukraine.

and yes, the us did invade kosovo. i didn’t support that.

what russia did was violate the budapest agreement, by invading ukraine and sending russian soldiers disguised as civilians to build and run a faux separatist movement.

unlike the unsupported russian propaganda you post, these are facts.

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The situation in Ukraine is precarious. Fighting around Soledar is ongoing. Soledar’s salt mines are a huge logistical prize. From them, Russia would be able to supply a lot of area in eastern Ukraine and store ammo and supplies safely. This in turn puts a huge crimp in Ukraine tactics going after supply and ammo dumps. Further, it will move the safest supply point to the front. From there Russia will be able to project power outward.

Our policy of giving Ukraine just enough to defend (stalemate or, lose more slowly) but not enough to win, will be costly here. It did not account for the Russian willingness to trade blood for sand. And right now they are trading a lot of blood. The official narrative is that Soledar is one small town on a huge front. This is true, but its also a logistics haven, which Russia desperately needs.

Had we given Ukraine what they need to win, instead of trying to manage things to prevent Russia from losing too badly (appeasing the bear with snacks), this situation would not be. Had we “suggested” strategies for Ukraine instead of acting on state department priorities Russia would already be defeated and the war would be wrapping up in the spring. Now we’re looking at a much longer war.

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The US has been supporting violent Ukrainian nationalists for decades. The events of 2014 were a US-backed coup, just like the events in Czechoslovakia in 1948 were a Soviet-backed coup. The violence after the coup was pushed by Azov and other ultranationalist/neo-Nazi paramilitaries supported and armed by the US and its allies.

The Minsk agreements were supposed to end the fighting. Former German PM Merkel has admitted that they were just a stalling tactic to give time to build up Kyiv’s military.

Once you acknowledge history we can move on.

lol . . . western media are credible when their reports run counter to narratives pushed by military-surveillance state. Back in 2014, government censorship was not enforced as vigorously, so actual news about Ukraine occasionally appeared in mainstream media.

At this point, corporate media are close to 100% pure propaganda. Any admissions that do not support the official narratives are indications that the lies and misinformation are becoming so obvious that they are no longer sustainable.

No one removed the non-Communists from the Czech government in 1948. They resigned. Likewise the Czech president recognized the Communist-dominated government in accordance with the constitution. The constitutional technicalities were followed, but they occurred under threats from a vocal and powerful minority who had powerful foreign allies. The Soviet-backed coup started 40 years of bitter Cold War because it was rightly viewed as a threat to governments in western Europe.

In contrast, the events of 2014 were far more violent and ignored requirements in the Ukrainian constitution. Dozens of unarmed protestors were killed after months of sometimes violent protests.

The Ukrainian constitution required a three-fourths majority to remove the president, which was never reached. Instead the new government declared the office vacant when the elected President left the country under threats by far-right paramilitaries.

Our policy of giving Ukraine just enough to defend (stalemate or, lose more slowly) but not enough to win, will be costly here.

The western aid is already greater than the annual military budget of Russia. Ukrainian forces should have taken Moscow by now if spending were the issue.

The next push will be to get NATO combat troops into Ukraine as the Ukrainian army loses the war of attrition.

no its not. there is a huge gulf between what’s promised and what’s delivered.

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its not a war of attrition.

yes, yes, yes, we all know that you’ll repeat every bit of russian propoganda you get from vlad

Yes, there has been a huge gulf between the promises and what has been delivered. Has the diversion of the billions into the pockets of corrupt officials been the point all along?

NATO keeps running out of weapons to send to Ukraine, yet NATO military spending is more than ten times what Russia spends. That is not counting the $100 billion plus in aid to Ukraine. Where has all the money been going?

lol… NATO hasn’t run out of anything.

Technically correct. The US and its allies have run out of weapons to send Ukraine; they are keeping a reserve for themselves.

The javelin missile was supposed to destroy the Russian army. By April, reports were that the US had already sent 1/3 of its total stock to Ukraine.

Ukrainian demand for US missiles has far outstripped production.

The giant sucking sound of American industry leaving the country is coming back to haunt us.

lol… javelin destroy the army. no, it was supposed to destroy russian tanks and armored vehicles. it has, and it still is.

The Russians still have plenty of both. There is a good reason why the Javelins have pretty much disappeared from the news since April; Ukraine exhausted the available stocks in the first two months of the war.

That’s because your graph is from 2021.

The Javelin is an anti-tank/armored vehicle destroyer, not an Army destroyer.

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Raytheon and Lockheed Martin did not leave America.

lol. they still use them. they are not out. meanwhile, russia is sending t64’s and t55’s to ukraine

Of course not, we are their bitch

Soledar has fallen.

The Ukes are falling back.