U.S. announces restoration of relations with Palestinians

[biggestal99]

@TheRedComet

You mean Israeli territory they won from Jordan during the six day war?

Yep that territory.

Allan

[Sknyluv]

@WuWei

Palestinians don’t won’t a solution.

Does Israel?

[zantax]

@GrandWazoo

@Scratch

Some pretty nice whoppers in there about the “Depleted military he inherited”

Every time someone on the right talks about the horrors of cutting the DOD budget I have made the same argument. If we can kick any other countries ass twenty times over, what difference does it make if we cut the budget and can only kick any countries ass eighteen times? So far I have never got back a answer to that question.

Fewer American casualties. Glad I could help.

[Ben_Natuf]

yes, the brink of peace. sad

[TheRedComet]

That territory does not belong to Palestinians. It never did. The ottomans had it first. Then the British. Then the Jordanians. Then the Israelis. In that order.

[TheRedComet]

You can’t have a “solution” with people who are offended that you breathe the same air they do.

The Palestinians have never honored any agreements and have waged a decades long insurgency campaign against the Israeli people.

They’ve even killed Israeli Arabs. Fellow Muslims. They target civilians with complete disregard for the chaos that ensues.

[Sknyluv]

@TheRedComet

You can’t have a “solution” with people who are offended that you breathe the same air they do.

The Palestinians have never honored any agreements and have waged a decades long insurgency campaign against the Israeli people.

They’ve even killed Israeli Arabs. Fellow Muslims. They target civilians with complete disregard for the chaos that ensues.

Now repeat that from the POV of a Palestinian and swap “Palestinians” with “Israelis”, and vice versa.

Point being, we shouldn’t automatically assign Israel some sort of more righteous or moral status in this situation. The views of the Palestinians are equally as valid.

[TheRedComet]

@Sknyluv

@TheRedComet

You can’t have a “solution” with people who are offended that you breathe the same air they do.

The Palestinians have never honored any agreements and have waged a decades long insurgency campaign against the Israeli people.

They’ve even killed Israeli Arabs. Fellow Muslims. They target civilians with complete disregard for the chaos that ensues.

Now repeat that from the POV of a Palestinian and swap “Palestinians” with “Israelis”, and vice versa.

Point being, we shouldn’t automatically assign Israel some sort of more righteous or moral status in this situation. The views of the Palestinians are equally as valid.

Who were the aggressors during both Intifadas? Who broke the 1994 agreements? It wasn’t the Israelis. It was the Palestinians.

How can you trust people who disregard every agreement you have ever signed with them? What reason does the Israeli government have to trust any Palestinian “government” when the results of signed agreements ends in random rocket attacks, kidnappings, bus bombings, and riots?

[Ben_Natuf]

views are irrelevant. palestinian aspirations are not what nations are built on, reality on the ground is. law of nations; you occupy it, you successfully defend it, you govern it… then it is yours. aspirations are meaningless and a poor basis for policy.

[WuWei]

@biggestal99

@WuWei

Does it? From what to what?

Annexing the West Bank for starters.

Allan

That is an act, not a culture. Do you know the history and the reason for it?

[WuWei]

@Sknyluv

Now repeat that from the POV of a Palestinian and swap “Palestinians” with “Israelis”, and vice versa.

Their POV is not based in reality then.

[Tom_Ch]

We do need to restore relations. We may not fully agree with some of the palestinian leadership activities. But to continue negotiation, we need to continue talks. You won’t get peace until we have relations with both parties.

Come on. If we can have love letters from Kim Jung Un, we can have talks to Palestinians.

[Scratch]

You still haven’t explained how Obama left a depleted Military.

[tnt]

How do people expect to have meaningful peace between isreal and palistine if we don’t recognize palistine?

[TheRedComet]

Have the Palestinians shown any true inclination towards peace?

They could start by abiding by the terms of the Oslo Agreements that the PLO signed in the 1990s. Negotiations between Israel and “Palestine” can continue from that starting position.

Until they do that, we shouldn’t recognize them or negotiate with them. They need to come to the table as a defeated power and lay the cards on the table. Not the west and Israel.

[TheRedComet]

I didn’t agree with Trump’s talks with North Korea at all. And I do not agree with negotiating with the Palestinians.

They are a defeated people who need to come to the table hat in hand first. Abide by previous agreements. And then we can talk.

[WuWei]

@Tom_Ch

We do need to restore relations. We may not fully agree with some of the palestinian leadership activities. But to continue negotiation, we need to continue talks. You won’t get peace until we have relations with both parties.

Come on. If we can have love letters from Kim Jung Un, we can have talks to Palestinians.

Palestinians are a gap culture. So are North Koreans. It is a waste of time.

[tnt]

@TheRedComet

Have the Palestinians shown any true inclination towards peace?

They could start by abiding by the terms of the Oslo Agreements that the PLO signed in the 1990s. Negotiations between Israel and “Palestine” can continue from that starting position.

Until they do that, we shouldn’t recognize them or negotiate with them. They need to come to the table as a defeated power and lay the cards on the table. Not the west and Israel.

If we don’t recognize them as a state, why would we expect them to do stately things?

it’s a chicken/egg argument.

[Sknyluv]

@WuWei

Their POV is not based in reality then.

Does it make it less valid?

“Stop the steal!”

[WuWei]

@Sknyluv

@WuWei

Their POV is not based in reality then.

Does it make it less valid?

“Stop the steal!”

Probably not.

“Fascism!”