Trump is taking almost $1 billion from Navy shipbuilding projects to build the border wall

[SixFoot]

@calirepub

If the first part is true, the second half is also true.

Meh, opinions will vary.

[SpacemanSpiff]

Soooo, are you saying you don’t agree with what Trump is doing?

[Camp]

Sorry Saf. I think you are one of our best posters here and appreciate the information you share.

Ending butter up phase…

I agree completely and wholeheartedly with the wall…fence…whatever you want to call it…improvements.

This investment has the potential to spare many lives and would prevent an exodus from south of the border running unchecked into our country.

I can see the potential for an event that would cause such suffering that we would see 10 or 100’s of thousands overwhelming the border.

This is in addition to the benefit of stalling and thwarting mass human and illicit cargo.

This issue is worth giving no quarter.

[calirepub]

@SpacemanSpiff

Soooo, are you saying you don’t agree with what Trump is doing?

If he’s making libs angry then I agree with it.

[SpacemanSpiff]

@calirepub

@SpacemanSpiff

Soooo, are you saying you don’t agree with what Trump is doing?

If he’s making libs angry then I agree with it.

I believe I have my answer now. Props for your honesty.

[Paul_Thomson]

@Yossarian

Well…tecnically… the wall falls under the dept of homeland security. The military the dept of defense.

That’s the kind of compartmentalized “identity politics” thinking that has created the Frankensteinian policy mix that characterises blue controlled areas of the US.

[Guvnah]

@Safiel

But since shipbuilding is obviously NOT a priority

You are projecting.

@Safiel

then I don’t think anybody would mind if the appropriations for Navy shipbuilding are permanently reduced by the amount of money the President took from the shipbuilding fund.

A billion out of a 700 billion military budget (or a 200 billion Navy budget) is noise.

I wouldn’t even argue with 70 billion getting cut, especially if it were a part of an overall cut in federal spending across the board.

The hand-wringing over 5 billion for the wall is more about politics (and especially about opposing Trump) than the actual money in question.

[komobu]

@Safiel

nt should not be abusing emergency provisions of statute as a loophole to get what Congress clearly rejected.

But since shipbuilding is obviously NOT a priority, then I don’t think anybody would mind if the appropriations for Navy shipbuilding are permanently reduced by the amount of money the President took from the shipbuilding fund.

If they can be taken for another purpose than obviously they are not needed at all.

Maybe he could be impeached for this?

[Guvnah]

@SpacemanSpiff

Folks also need to be reminded that a majority of American voters did NOT actually vote for this whole wall thing.

Nor did a majority vote against it.

Shrug.

[Guvnah]

@SpacemanSpiff

Whelp, if anybody who agrees with this says “If president Sanders, Warren, Biden, Bloomberg, Etc does the same thing to fund a project I don’t agree with, then I’ll be completely okay with it” then I’ll believe that they believe this is all okay.

There is a difference between being OK with it and understanding that the president has the power to do stuff like that.

Too bad Congress is so dysfunctional that it takes presidential power to make things happen.

[merickson]

@Safiel

…
I am NOT fine with him taking money duly appropriated by Congress for a different purpose by declaring a sham emergency.
…

Bit of a tangent, but I’m dismayed by the number of Democratic candidates (hell no, I’m not going to be voting for Trump), by the number of Democrats who have announced, as part of their campaign advertising, that they will be declaring an emergency and issuing executive orders to deal with climate change and/or healthcare.

The executive order continues to grow in popularity on both sides of the aisle. Both parties are not looking for a president, they are looking for a wise king.

[/tangent]

[WuWei]

@Safiel

This is a direct appeal to the nativist crowd.

Horse ■■■■■ Who has a problem with legal immigration? That was over the top.

[WuWei]

@Safiel

which is already hurting

Self-inflicted wounds. A wall won’t be running into another wall.

[zantax]

@mobulis

@STODR

Yep without the wall they wouldn’t have to take the time to climb over it dig a tunnel, cut a hole and any vehicle could drive over.

Not with all the patrol agents around.

Well, since agents can’t instantaneously teleport to where they are needed, we may need something that slows them down until they can physically arrive to apprehend them. Something like I don’t know, a wall. My doors and windows don’t keep burglars and home invaders either, what they do is alert me to that attempted entry and hopefully buy me enough time to defend myself and my family.

[zantax]

@Guvnah

@Safiel

But since shipbuilding is obviously NOT a priority

You are projecting.

@Safiel

then I don’t think anybody would mind if the appropriations for Navy shipbuilding are permanently reduced by the amount of money the President took from the shipbuilding fund.

A billion out of a 700 billion military budget (or a 200 billion Navy budget) is noise.

I wouldn’t even argue with 70 billion getting cut, especially if it were a part of an overall cut in federal spending across the board.

The hand-wringing over 5 billion for the wall is more about politics (and especially about opposing Trump) than the actual money in question.

Ahh democrats, trillion dollar health plan or student loan forgiveness, no problemo, five billion for national defense, no way.

[Weedhopper]

@Safiel

In other words, the wall is worthless and as waste of time and money

You just described the Democratic Party for funding Obama’s spygate and pushing Russian collusion lies.

[Yossarian]

@Paul_Thomson

@Yossarian

Well…tecnically… the wall falls under the dept of homeland security. The military the dept of defense.

That’s the kind of compartmentalized “identity politics” thinking that has created the Frankensteinian policy mix that characterises blue controlled areas of the US.

Examples of “Frankensteinian policy mix that characterize blue controlled aeas of the US” (and not red) ?

Thanks in advance.

[Kevhead]

@WildRose

If it’s legal he has every right to do it

So if bernie gets elected and calls student loans a national crisis he can take military funds to pay towards them? Perfectly legal right

[Guilds]

@Smyrna

The money saved by spending this billion on a wall, will earn that many times over for the navy in the future.

By what metrics.
Show your math.

[7ranz]

@WuWei

@Safiel

This is a direct appeal to the nativist crowd.

Horse ■■■■■ Who has a problem with legal immigration? That was over the top.

It’s impossible to believe that people’s problem with immigration in this country is that “illegal immigrants” just didn’t follow the rules. Am I to believe you all are just a bunch of teacher pets that are mad some folks didn’t follow the rules? That’s it?