The Politics Forum and What Makes a Good Political Thread

[CanadianJudo]

@FlameHeart

@Nemesis

How long do you think the owners of the site are going to fund resources into keeping a message board going that has a handful of posters?

This is what trolling and drama will also do in the long run. I have seen it too many times in other groups, in other forums. People find the drama entertaining for all but a second, and then when it keeps persisting, they leave. I actually had an argument about this last year with an admin of a Facebook group that I was moderator of. I said that drama is going to kill the group and she said “no, it draws people because people like drama.” And that’s where our rivalry- to put it mildly- started.

With that said, I’ll be damned if I’m going to let one of my favorite message boards go to the dumpster with the drama. No, I won’t allow it. Too many political discussion groups have already gone that route. We need to restore balance to the forums. Part of that is the moderators’ and administrators’ job, but part of that responsibility rests on the members’ shoulders too. It’s a lot easier to moderate a group when the members have a mutual understanding.

The issue is the level of political discourse in America is currently in the gutter.

[conan]

The problem is flagging and if has offended everyone and anyone in which the old forum didn’t have. Now I’m only expressing my opinion here but everyone feel they’re being slighted.

You have one side complaining about other side but yet they do exactly what they’re complaining about to other posters.

For me…I like a serious discussion, specially about political philosophy. Sadly that’s doesn’t seem possible.

So basically…members have created this situation.

Also I believe Fever pitch is private…so only members can see it. Mods can correct me on that.

[WuWei]

@lessright

@WuWei

The other posters dragged your OP into oblivion.

I didn’t know I had an OP to drag anywhere. I thought that was an opening post – one per thread. As pointed out in your OP point 2.

Still, what’s the incentive to have a good OP if they’re going to be sent to Fever Dreams?

None. Two different issues.

There are 5 threads in there. TDS and Slop don’t count.

The Squad has a OP link behind a paywall. Given all day to fix it, posted elsewhere before it was moved.

The other two it was obvious that’s what was wanted, so go troll. But not in the Politics Forum.

[NebraskaFootball]

@WuWei

Falwell’s zipper and Graham etc, are the drag down. It’s the oneupmanship. Then “they’re bad Christians” “How can a Christians want weapons of war”. Now we’re in the gutter and completely off topic. And insulting 60 million people, some of whom are members here.

Do you have the same level of concern for the gutter accusations about “libs?” There are tens of millions of them and many who are members here. Yet I don’t see them protected in the same micromanaging fashion. Which is fine. I am not saying they should be. As a proud Christian, I can stick up for me beliefs the same as anyone else.

Besides, this is all subjective anyway. And predicated on an assumption of what will happen. And who will have feelings hurt based on said assumption. It’s still not clear at all what makes something “trolling” versus not other than the given mood of a respective mod at the time.

[WuWei]

@CanadianJudo

If the President stopped acting like a fourth grader there would be less dumb thread on this website.

So tell us fellows, what is this post? Is it on topic? Does it contribute anything at all to this discussion?

[FlameHeart]

What is its purpose?

[CanadianJudo]

@WuWei

@CanadianJudo

If the President stopped acting like a fourth grader there would be less dumb thread on this website.

So tell us fellows, what is this post? Is it on topic? Does it contribute anything at all to this discussion?

a statement of the current level of political discourse in America, you want people to have more adult conversation its hard to do so when the only news is the President ramble on twitter.

America wanted gutter politics and it got gutter politics.

[WuWei]

@Dem

@WuWei

This has an owner and a name attached to it.

This is the crux of it isn’t it? Our host has attached himself to Trump, and you can’t have too many anti-Trump posts on this forum. It was never an issue before with Bush, or Obama, but all of a sudden, it’s an issue with Trump.

Not at all. There’s no limit that I’m aware of. All we’re saying is do it like adults. There were a couple of good, legit threads started today. A couple of times some people started to drag them down and a nudge brought it right back.

[WuWei]

@hwyflier

@Dem

This is the crux of it isn’t it? Our host has attached himself to Trump, and you can’t have too many anti-Trump posts on this forum. It was never an issue before with Bush, or Obama, but all of a sudden, it’s an issue with Trump.

And if that’s what it is, but we can’t say that’s what it is, I’d understand thats what it is.

Someone blink twice if thats what it is.

If that’s what it was, we’d tell you and I wouldn’t moderate here.

This place has never done that.

[hindsight]

@conan

For me…I like a serious discussion, specially about political philosophy.

This is a joke, right?

[lessright]

That’s much better than explaining it’s basis is the delusional dreams one might have with a high fever. What would she do with that knowledge anyway?

[WuWei]

@NebraskaFootball

@WuWei

@NebraskaFootball

I see the totality of my post was given the attention and consideration I expected, even if not what I had hoped for. So be it.

Be patient. Did I address your whole post now?

No. I’m not talking about the Macy’s windows. We were directly warned about mentioning the Trump charity case. Which was an integral part of the discussion. @hwyflier even started a CF thread asking why his post to Conan was moved, when it was topical, relevant, furthered the discussion. The only explanation was it was “trolling” because it mentioned Trump. The same as your “mod note” in the thread.

@WuWei

Mod Note

You guys have been warned twice. If you continue to try to turn this into a Trump thread, it’s going to get moved and locked.

Which was placed immediately after me and brouski had a back and forth about the Trump charity in relation to the NRA situation. No trolling there at all. But a reprimand for it nonetheless.

It went from a claim about the Trump case to a completely different argument between two people in the middle of the thread about the NRA. A good thread.

No.

If you want to argue about the Trump charity case, go start a thread on it and argue away.

When you turn every single thread into a Trump thread, there’s going to be some of it.

[WuWei]

@NebraskaFootball

No. I’m not talking about the Macy’s windows. We were directly warned about mentioning the Trump charity case.

You have to talk about Macy too.

And that’s not true, you were not warned to not mention the Trump charity case. You were warned not to turn yet another thread that had nothing to do with Trump into a Trump thread.

[Zodiac]

It is an insulting name. A lack of comprise with an accepting forum for trolling and ribbing political discourse seems by design to demotivate most members from posting ever again. Is that the end goal here? It seems to be working.

[NebraskaFootball]

Like I said. Clear as mud. You’ve just created a brand new, subjective rule out of thin air based on your (or another mod’s) feelings at the time.

It’s your forum. We have to abide by your decisions if we want to be here. I’ll accept this new micromanaging moderation if I want to be here.

But please understand from my perspective, which I believe is shared by a large number of people here, there is no understanding of what you guys are subjectively deciding is “trolling” versus legitimate discussion. It seems that discussing Trump is the line of demarcation though. As if he is now a quasi-protected topic.

[hwyflier]

@NebraskaFootball

there is no understanding of what you guys are subjectively deciding is “trolling” versus legitimate discussion.

I agree with this.

When I joined there was poster with dual personalities and one of them was a possum.

And then there was Jibaro.

[WuWei]

@NebraskaFootball

Do you have the same level of concern for the gutter accusations about “libs?”

You betcha. Go look at the slop thread.

@NebraskaFootball

Yet I don’t see them protected in the same micromanaging fashion. Which is fine.

I’m just waiting for the next “Biden is Retarded! Who’s with me?” Thread.

@NebraskaFootball

Besides, this is all subjective anyway. And predicated on an assumption of what will happen. And who will have feelings hurt based on said assumption. It’s still not clear at all what makes something “trolling” versus not other than the given mood of a respective mod at the time.

Of course it’s subjective. Take away the doubt. That’s what a good post does.

[Jezcoe]

The current actions are a sure fire way of driving long time posters… and I mean people who have been discussing things here for like a decade… away from the board.

Just my two cents.

[LucyLou]

@WuWei

@CanadianJudo

If the President stopped acting like a fourth grader there would be less dumb thread on this website.

So tell us fellows, what is this post? Is it on topic? Does it contribute anything at all to this discussion?

I would just scroll on by. Big deal.

[WuWei]

@hindsight

@conan

For me…I like a serious discussion, specially about political philosophy.

This is a joke, right?

And away we go…

That’s two.