The Lodestar papers

Vigilante · 2018-09-06T17:42:28.055Z

goodbyte:

MoleUK:

It’s some nice data science analysis with text mining along the lines of word usage and such.

Pompeo is definitely possible.

Yeah, while the lodestar thing is interesting, reading from experts about stylometry analysis leads me to conclude that focusing on individual words like this isn’t particularly effective.

Do you think that is what Pence is telling trump right now? Pence was not trumps pick. He was Manaforts.

Vigilante · 2018-09-06T17:43:10.231Z

Apocalypto:

Pompeo or Coats, my money is on Coats.

Why?

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Apocalypto · 2018-09-06T17:43:24.702Z

If right wingnut Christian history has taught us anything, is that they’re the biggest hypocrites on earth.

MoleUK · 2018-09-06T17:43:55.351Z

Apocalypto:

Pompeo or Coats, my money is on Coats.

I think Coats is smarter than that, it wouldn’t mean much coming from him.

Either way whoever did it should be resigning shortly, if they have any kind of political foresight.

goodbyte · 2018-09-06T17:43:58.132Z

Vigilante:

Do you think that is what Pence is telling trump right now? Pence was not trumps pick. He was Manaforts.

I don’t really know. I’m just saying that using TD-IDF data analysis or other stylometry here is not very conclusive, that’s all.

Dem · 2018-09-06T17:44:31.177Z

Yup, the oped also contains “first principles” which Mattis has used in a few of his speeches.

Vigilante · 2018-09-06T17:44:43.201Z

Apocalypto:

If right wingnut Christian history has taught us anything, is that they’re the biggest hypocrites on earth.

Fair enough. I get that. When was the last time before 2 days ago you used the word “Lodestar”?

Apocalypto · 2018-09-06T17:44:45.569Z

Looking at their history, Coats has had a more contentious relationship with fat donald.

CNBC – 16 Jul 18

Spy chief Dan Coats shoots back at Trump for refusing to side with him over...

Coats said that Russia not only interfered in the election but that its "efforts to undermine our democracy" are ongoing.

Vigilante · 2018-09-06T17:49:02.880Z

Dem:

Yup, the oped also contains “first principles” which Mattis has used in a few of his speeches.

If I had to bet money I would say "First Principles’ is more widely used than “Lodestar”.

DOLOOP · 2018-09-06T17:49:13.524Z

Apocalypto:

Pompeo or Coats, my money is on Coats.

Yeah, I’m leaning toward someone in national security/intelligence background.

Lodestar is bait.

Do a google ngram analysis of lodestar. It appears we reached Peak Lodestar in the US right around Clinton’s impeachment.

I’m making no inferences from that data point. It’s just funny coincidence…

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Apocalypto · 2018-09-06T17:49:36.594Z

Vigilante:

Fair enough. I get that. When was the last time before 2 days ago you used the word “Lodestar”?

How many has Pence used this word before? If he’s used it quite a bit, I could see why the op-ed author could’ve used it as an diversion tactic.

DOLOOP · 2018-09-06T17:52:01.787Z

Vigilante:

Apocalypto:

If right wingnut Christian history has taught us anything, is that they’re the biggest hypocrites on earth.

Fair enough. I get that. When was the last time before 2 days ago you used the word “Lodestar”?

I think it was the last time I tried to pin attribution of anonymous content on Mike Pence.

Apocalypto · 2018-09-06T17:52:10.152Z

Very interesting…so, Pence has used this word quite a bit in the past. Guess which government security departments use these kind of bait tactics? Hmmm.

Orygun · 2018-09-06T17:52:14.133Z

Still pretty wild to think that someone from within the administration would try and throw people off the trail onto Pence. That is some next level ■■■■ right there…

Vigilante · 2018-09-06T17:54:28.165Z

In the first link its seems that the author is trying to disprove the obvious. Hence Pompeo instead of Pence. Being that Pence is the only one who uses the word the signature should be obvious as well as obvious bait. Pick.

DOLOOP · 2018-09-06T17:55:24.208Z

Orygun:

Still pretty wild to think that someone from within the administration would try and throw people off the trail onto Pence. That is some next level ■■■■ right there…

The other option is that both the NYT AND the author were too stupid to see obviously rare word forms as potential identifiers.

There’s no clean Occam’s razor there. But, if it were somebody with experience in national security, intelligence, military, or diplomacy, is it really next level ■■■■■

Vigilante · 2018-09-06T17:55:32.606Z

Apocalypto:

Vigilante:

Fair enough. I get that. When was the last time before 2 days ago you used the word “Lodestar”?

How many has Pence used this word before? If he’s used it quite a bit, I could see why the op-ed author could’ve used it as an diversion tactic.

I think you are over thinking it.

Vigilante · 2018-09-06T17:57:14.599Z

OK so say somebody simple like me…um…well say trump for instance, didnt see the next level deep state ■■■■ but just saw the sig “Lodestar”. What can he do about Pence? He cant fire him. Whats next?

DOLOOP · 2018-09-06T18:02:53.453Z

Vigilante:

OK so say somebody simple like me…um…well say trump for instance, didnt see the next level deep state ■■■■ but just saw the sig “Lodestar”. What can he do about Pence? He cant fire him. Whats next?

Great question.

Shut him out of the decision making process? I don’t see much evidence that he’s involved now.

Most likely shootout at the Twitter Corral. All guns blazing.

Maybe Trump tries to turn DoJ against Pence. Or, more obviously, convince Congress to impeach Pence.

I don’t know.

There’s are fascinating times.

Vigilante · 2018-09-06T18:06:51.751Z

DOLOOP:

Vigilante:

OK so say somebody simple like me…um…well say trump for instance, didnt see the next level deep state ■■■■ but just saw the sig “Lodestar”. What can he do about Pence? He cant fire him. Whats next?

Great question.

Shut him out of the decision making process? I don’t see much evidence that he’s involved now.

Most likely shootout at the Twitter Corral. All guns blazing.

Maybe Trump tries to turn DoJ against Pence. Or, more obviously, convince Congress to impeach Pence.

I don’t know.

There’s are fascinating times.

Have you seen “House of Cards”?