The Great Hoax Is Causing Dain Bramage 🤣

[Dem]

@Samm

How did sea turtles and coral survive the previous warm periods? They have both been here a lot longer than we have.

You know evolution is a thing, and current species have evolved to thrive in the current icehouse period.

Sudden changes will drive these species extinct. There just hasn’t been enough time for current life to adapt.

[zantax]

@Samm

@zantax

@Orygun

Ya 1.5 has sailed. Most folks feel we will be lucky to stay under 3 degrees by 2100- completely changing the entire climate of the Earth. Catastrophic but if there are feedback loops such as melting the permafrost- we could get to 5- unimaginable.

You know we can solve it any time we like by injecting particulate into the upper atmosphere right? We aren’t monkeys.

Great way to bring in an ice age.

Not really, happens all the time with volcanoes and doesn’t cause an ice age. And it’s not permanent so it reverses itself.

[Samm]

@Dem

@Samm

How did sea turtles and coral survive the previous warm periods? They have both been here a lot longer than we have.

You know evolution is a thing, and current species have evolved to thrive in the current icehouse period.

Sudden changes will drive these species extinct. There just hasn’t been enough time for current life to adapt.

Are corals and sea turtles different now than they used to be? Has evolution stopped?

[zantax]

@Samm

@Dem

@Samm

How did sea turtles and coral survive the previous warm periods? They have both been here a lot longer than we have.

You know evolution is a thing, and current species have evolved to thrive in the current icehouse period.

Sudden changes will drive these species extinct. There just hasn’t been enough time for current life to adapt.

Are corals and sea turtles different now than they used to be? Has evolution stopped?

Something like 99% of all species that ever existed are extinct, other species adapt and fill those niches

[Samm]

@zantax

@Samm

@zantax

@Orygun

Ya 1.5 has sailed. Most folks feel we will be lucky to stay under 3 degrees by 2100- completely changing the entire climate of the Earth. Catastrophic but if there are feedback loops such as melting the permafrost- we could get to 5- unimaginable.

You know we can solve it any time we like by injecting particulate into the upper atmosphere right? We aren’t monkeys.

Great way to bring in an ice age.

Not really, happens all the time with volcanoes and doesn’t cause an ice age. And it’s not permanent so it reverses itself.

Oh, contrare, volcanoes have brought on ice ages.

[zantax]

@Samm

@zantax

@Samm

@zantax

@Orygun

Ya 1.5 has sailed. Most folks feel we will be lucky to stay under 3 degrees by 2100- completely changing the entire climate of the Earth. Catastrophic but if there are feedback loops such as melting the permafrost- we could get to 5- unimaginable.

You know we can solve it any time we like by injecting particulate into the upper atmosphere right? We aren’t monkeys.

Great way to bring in an ice age.

Not really, happens all the time with volcanoes and doesn’t cause an ice age. And it’s not permanent so it reverses itself.

Oh, contrare, volcanoes have brought on ice ages.

Ok well, we don’t put that much in, we know of ones that have caused just a few degree drop and what the volume was. Not something I would do now or lightly but in a pinch if we were really hurting sure.

[Samm]

@zantax

@Samm

@zantax

@Samm

@zantax

@Orygun

Ya 1.5 has sailed. Most folks feel we will be lucky to stay under 3 degrees by 2100- completely changing the entire climate of the Earth. Catastrophic but if there are feedback loops such as melting the permafrost- we could get to 5- unimaginable.

You know we can solve it any time we like by injecting particulate into the upper atmosphere right? We aren’t monkeys.

Great way to bring in an ice age.

Not really, happens all the time with volcanoes and doesn’t cause an ice age. And it’s not permanent so it reverses itself.

Oh, contrare, volcanoes have brought on ice ages.

Ok well, we don’t put that much in, we know of ones that have caused just a few degree drop and what the volume was. Not something I would do now or lightly but in a pinch if we were really hurting sure.

Sorry, I don’t share your confidence. When you start tinkering with the heat balance of the planet on that scale, a lot can and probably will go wrong.

[EternalVigilance]

@Liberty323

True story: a buddy of mine, whose 2 adult sons still live at home is tormented daily by them and his wife with tales of climate doom and gloom and how Bernie was the one who could have reversed this. The doom and gloomers are actually planning to move to a northern state in the next few years because they are convinced Kentucky and the rest of the southeast will be a desert in 5-7 years. He told them all to have fun with the move.

I fully believe every word of this. There’s absolutely a segment of progressive youth that believes only Bernie Sanders or AoC can change the weather.

[Dem]

@Samm

@Dem

@Samm

How did sea turtles and coral survive the previous warm periods? They have both been here a lot longer than we have.

You know evolution is a thing, and current species have evolved to thrive in the current icehouse period.

Sudden changes will drive these species extinct. There just hasn’t been enough time for current life to adapt.

Are corals and sea turtles different now than they used to be? Has evolution stopped?

You think they are going to evolve rapidly enough within the next 80 years to survive the temperature change?

In the last 10 years we’ve lost 14% of Coral. Those numbers will rise as temperature rises.

[Hexenbiest]

China has to step up to the plate or it’s all for naught even according to John Kerry. This isn’t some “we should do nothing” comment but reality from the worlds biggest emitter China.

“Kerry reportedly emphasized that the world can not “solve the climate crisis” without the engagement of China, noting that the world’s second-largest economy produces 27 percent of all global emissions. Without “significant reduction efforts” by China, the spokesperson noted, the globe will not be able to reach its goal of limiting warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius. - John Kerry - special presidential envoy for climate.”

And what is China doing besides mass genocide of Uyghurs building more and more coal plants and not just in China but other countries as well. The West can’t solve this, whether people want to acknowledge it or not the west has been reducing carbon while the East is partying like we are in the early days of the industrial revolution. It’s to big to ignore.

[zantax]

@Samm

@zantax

@Samm

@zantax

@Samm

@zantax

@Orygun

Ya 1.5 has sailed. Most folks feel we will be lucky to stay under 3 degrees by 2100- completely changing the entire climate of the Earth. Catastrophic but if there are feedback loops such as melting the permafrost- we could get to 5- unimaginable.

You know we can solve it any time we like by injecting particulate into the upper atmosphere right? We aren’t monkeys.

Great way to bring in an ice age.

Not really, happens all the time with volcanoes and doesn’t cause an ice age. And it’s not permanent so it reverses itself.

Oh, contrare, volcanoes have brought on ice ages.

Ok well, we don’t put that much in, we know of ones that have caused just a few degree drop and what the volume was. Not something I would do now or lightly but in a pinch if we were really hurting sure.

Sorry, I don’t share your confidence. When you start tinkering with the heat balance of the planet on that scale, a lot can and probably will go wrong.

I think we’ll have much better modeling by the time that would be needed.

[zantax]

@Dem

@Samm

@Dem

@Samm

How did sea turtles and coral survive the previous warm periods? They have both been here a lot longer than we have.

You know evolution is a thing, and current species have evolved to thrive in the current icehouse period.

Sudden changes will drive these species extinct. There just hasn’t been enough time for current life to adapt.

Are corals and sea turtles different now than they used to be? Has evolution stopped?

You think they are going to evolve rapidly enough within the next 80 years to survive the temperature change?

In the last 10 years we’ve lost 14% of Coral. Those numbers will rise as temperature rises.

You know we are pretty good at genetic engineering and selective breeding right? Humans no longer have to wait for natural evolution to happen on its own.

[Samm]

@Dem

@Samm

@Dem

@Samm

How did sea turtles and coral survive the previous warm periods? They have both been here a lot longer than we have.

You know evolution is a thing, and current species have evolved to thrive in the current icehouse period.

Sudden changes will drive these species extinct. There just hasn’t been enough time for current life to adapt.

Are corals and sea turtles different now than they used to be? Has evolution stopped?

You think they are going to evolve rapidly enough within the next 80 years to survive the temperature change?

In the last 10 years we’ve lost 14% of Coral. Those numbers will rise as temperature rises.

When the only factor you look at is temperature, if course temperature is going to be the primary suspect cause.

[zantax]

But I will admit that I was really bummed about a decade
ago when I was finally able to scuba dive and all the coral
was browned out in Barbados.

[Borgia_dude]

@Samm

@Borgia_dude

@Samm

@Borgia_dude

@Samm

@Borgia_dude

@Samm

@Borgia_dude

@zantax

@Borgia_dude

@zantax

@Orygun

You have more hope than I. But I hope you are right.

Information-related fields advance exponentially, we are hitting the steep part of that curve, I am more worried about super AI than climate change.

Every part of an exponential curve is the steep part. It’s all relative.

Looks like one part is steeper to me.

Zoom in. Steep is relative.

But your point isn’t.

2, 4, 8, 16, 32…

Where isn’t it “steep”?

The exponential can be called steep because steep is relative. But your point is not relative. I thought that was clear.

My point is the very definition of relative. Every “present day” will seem to be the steep part of the curve.

If the present day is year 5, we are in the steep part of the curve. If present day is year 20, we are in the steep part of the curve. If present day is year 100, we are in the steep part of the curve. But at each of the latter two “present days”, the previous “present days” of 5, and 5 and 20 respectively will look rather flat.

That’s the nature of the exponential growth curve.

But the reality is technology will not grow indefinitely at an exponential rate.

Only in your mind. For everyone else, not so much.

2,4,8,16,32 where is the steep part of the curve?

2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2056 where is the steep part of the curve?

It’s quite simple. Surely a man of math like you can see the steep part is always the tail, or present day, no matter when that present day was. 50 years from now they will be saying 2021 was still in the flat. (Assuming a continuation of exponential growth)

^^^ Still missing the point. I’m not talking about the curve.

Ok. The rest of us were.

[Borgia_dude]

@zantax

I think information related fields will advance exponentially until they hit some sort of maximum. Such that we have universal knowledge. And we have unlimited power. Long way to go but we are ramping up quickly. Provided we don’t kill our selves off first.

I don’t think so. There will be maximums or diminishing returns.

[Samm]

I’m not accountable for what everyone else posts.

[zantax]

@Borgia_dude

@zantax

I think information related fields will advance exponentially until they hit some sort of maximum. Such that we have universal knowledge. And we have unlimited power. Long way to go but we are ramping up quickly. Provided we don’t kill our selves off first.

I don’t think so. There will be maximums or diminishing returns.

There will be some limits imposed by physics. But considering we don’t know everything, no telling what they are.

[Camp]

Those algorithms are working overtime.

Better than economists that didn’t see 10 trillion jump starting inflation.

[Camp]

Overtime…so precise…sounds almost real.