The Future of Our Glorious Party Is the -Cortez Woman

[armycowboy]

Is health care a right or a privilege? If its a privilege, scrap the ACA and go back to how it was. If it’s a right scrap the ACA and go to single payer.

[thinkingman]

Yeah. They’d be alright if they plundered the world for 300 years and then pretended it was due to their obvious superiority.

no one plundered the world for 300 years

pull yourself away from the evil imperialist anti-American leftist nonsense and see whats really what

where did you learn this nonsense btw?

leftist lulu college professors?

[adroit]

Is health care a right or a privilege? If its a privilege, scrap the ACA and go back to how it was. If it’s a right scrap the ACA and go to single payer.

For me, it’s irrelevant whether it’s a “right” (I don’t care for the language of “rights”, it has lost its usefulness now that we’ve been detached from monarchical rule for over two centuries). What matters is if we would provide a better (i.e. more efficient, more effective, less expensive) system if we went the route of a single payer or something like the Dutch model. The answer is yes.

[thinkingman]

in some particular cases wartime necessity and such situations stand apart from the quest for profit sure. einstein’s insistence along with szilard that we develop an atomic bomb ahead of the german national socialist party was not for profit. the incentive was to beat madmen to it.

these extreme circumstances will not be the norm of course for healthcare.

if providers are paid the same no matter how good or not, you can bet it won’t be good or at least as good as it can be.

insurance like anything open to profit motive and the market will compete which will elevate the level of service.

money made in growing companies making owners, stakeholders and employees too richer does indeed grow wealth. even in insurance.

And yet, we have better results with lower expenditures in several developed nations that mitigate profit. They must be unicorns.

explain “better results”

[koushi_shinigami]

You only get it if you’re retired military. Its one of the benefits of serving that those who didn’t serve can’t just sign up for.

Three call is for government funded health care. Tippy say yoh have it for $45 a month. Great, just open it up to the rest of the population. We will all pay $45 and the government will pay the rest. problem solved.

Except you and I both know if won’t ■■■■■■■ work.

You also help pay for my monthly retirement check, so thanks for that too.

Happy to do so. Also paying for my dad’s retirement as well. One of the benefit of retiring as an O-6

[adroit]

No. What will happen is taxes will eventually be over $2000 a month, people will bee screaming to reduce expenses, hospitals will be either closed or not built, and doctors will leave the profession. There already was another thread where the Canuks were complaining about a shortage of new hospital construction.

Why would that happen? Other developed nations pay less per capita than we do. If we brought out expenditures down to levels like Netherlands, we’d almost be able to eliminate all private expenditures (i.e. premiums and out-of-pocket expenses) and maintain current levels of public spending (i.e. taxes).

[adroit]

explain “better results”

Universal coverage, better life expectancy, lower infant mortality rates, similar or better wait times, not going bankrupt due to medical expenses, etc.

[AngraMainyu]

Are you joking?

[armycowboy]

You only get it if you’re retired military. Its one of the benefits of serving that those who didn’t serve can’t just sign up for.

Three call is for government funded health care. Tippy say yoh have it for $45 a month. Great, just open it up to the rest of the population. We will all pay $45 and the government will pay the rest. problem solved.

Except you and I both know if won’t ■■■■■■■ work.

Of course it wouldn’t work for $45 a month. That’s why I originally said I’d be willing to pay more because it’s the right thing for the country.

[Forcefield]

Making money doesn’t guarantee that.

For-profit drug companies is such a terrible example to bring up noawadays, when we have insanely priced cancer drugs and an opioid epidemic. Did we invent the polio vaccine because of profit motivation? I guess some folks don’t understand that there are people out there working for the greater good.

[Jezcoe]

It also has an effect of increasing worker mobility and would likely cause wages to rise.

If someone isn’t tied to a particular job for health care, then the labor marketplace becomes more competitive.

I’ll buy that. Can the labor market become too competitive?

Well… can anything be too competitive?

[Jezcoe]

Is health care a right or a privilege? If its a privilege, scrap the ACA and go back to how it was. If it’s a right scrap the ACA and go to single payer.

I would argue that it is a public good.

[armycowboy]

That makes sense.

[thinkingman]

explain “better results”

Universal coverage, better life expectancy, lower infant mortality rates, similar or better wait times, not going bankrupt due to medical expenses, etc.

universal coverage is not something that is “better” in and of itself.

better life expectancy is a product of many factors not just the health care infrastructure or health care availability.

infant mort is also highly influenced by other non-healthcare related factors, such as education level, environmental conditions, and even how “live births” are even counted in other countries.

“similar” wait times is not better. all countries have wait-times but using them to compare health care availability is of limited use due to differences in the way they are measured and data is collected.

overall “better” is highly debatable, not to mention subjective

[thinkingman]

Are you joking?

i was about to ask you the same thing

but then i realized you have no way to prove or support what you said beyond pure anti-american sentiment and opinion.

[AngraMainyu]

To prove what? Colonialism enriched Europe and America at the expense of those indigenous populations and resources? Let’s not even cover slavery.
You’re definitely joking.

[thinkingman]

To prove what? Colonialism enriched Europe and America at the expense of those indigenous populations and resources? Let’s not even cover slavery.
You’re definitely joking.

thats not “plundering the world for 300 years”

earths history is filled with colonialism and plights of indigenous peoples back thousands of years

[AngraMainyu]

Yes, it is. The early 1600s to the end of colonialism in the 1900s. You are correct. It has been happening for thousands of years, and typically the victor is enriched by the spoils of war.

[johnwk2]

Cortez isn’t the new face of the DNC no matter how much you keep saying it.

Own it. She is. And Cortez and Bernie Sanders are touring the country together, hand in hand, and promising to be the best free cheese candidates ever. Free government cheese for everyone, except those who produce the cheese.

JWK

The unavoidable truth is, the Bernie Sanders/Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’ plan for “free” college tuition will be paid for by taxing millions of college graduates who worked for and paid their own way through college and are now trying to finance their own economic needs.

[Attreyu]

Most Democratic Socialist members believe that the Jews are to blame for their own demise in Germany. I think its a fair question that should be asked of Cortez, whats her stance on the Holocaust.