Tampa General: great success with COVID-19 treatment, reduces hospital stays

[WuWei]

@johnwk2

As I have repeatedly stated, only a doctor and their patient are in a position to decide whether or not the use of the covid vaccine is beneficial.

You said it was a recommendation. How long is the recommendation for? Life? A week? This year?

If your doctor recommended it, would you get it even if you had been vaccinated for shingles?

I’m trying hard to understand the issue.

[Jezcoe]

@Axxowiz

I’m not sure about that it seems the jury is still out in that with new studies released about Delta which for whatever reason we needed here it has transformed the whole game.

The one lucky thing (Until the next Variant) people vaccinated tend to not have to go to hospital which is a good thing. We might not get that lucky with upcoming variants according to the CDC.

“Fully vaccinated people carry the same amount of Covid as the unvaccinated, scientists have found in a new study that calls into question the effectiveness of vaccine passports and changes to the NHS app.

Experts had hoped two doses of vaccine would significantly reduce the viral load carried by people who became infected, lowering the risk of them passing on Covid”

“However, the new study by the University of Oxford shows that the delta variant wipes out the viral load reduction”

Double-jabbed people carry same levels of Covid as unvaccinated

The vaccinated have to become infected in the first place and the numbers are showing that this happens to them at a much lower rate than the unvaccinated.

So yes… you can get infected if vaccinated and if the vaccinated do get infected the viral load looks to be the same.

But what we know is this,

1. if exposed to the virus the vaccinated are infected at a lower rate than the vaccinated.

2. if the vaccinated become infected they are more likely to clear the virus faster and thus be a vector for a shorter period of time than the unvaccinated

3. will likely not get as sick and even less likely to die than the unvaccinated.

Keeping all of those things in mind and with rolling out that booster shots are now recommended at the eight month mark, vaccinations are the most effective means to keep people from getting sick and dying.

[Jezcoe]

@Ben_Natuf

they are minimally effective for adults in slowing spread, not stopping it. study after study shows this. masking has had little impact on the ultimate spread of covid. i supported wearing masks because slowing the spread until we had a vaccine would ultimately save lives, now that we have one its meaningless and may in fact be counter productive giving the unvaccinated a false sense of security and possibly making those who do contract covid more sick.

in place after place the pattern of spread is repeated, mask or no mask, shut down or no shut down. it takes hold, it increases until it reaches a level where there are not enough vectors to continue spreading rapidly, plateau’s and then drops. nothing we have done has changed the pattern except vaccination, and with delta, thats not even as effective unless the moderna vaccine is wide spread instead of either az, j&j or pfizer. the best thing young and healthy adults can do to turn this pandemic into a lessor flu if they won’t get vaccinated is get covid.

think about this. if we had kept kids in school and not done so much to “protect” them from a disease that was overwhelmingly not a danger to them, right now, most kids would have gotten the alpha variant, not ever even known they had gotten it, developed antibodies, and today, because of memory t and b cells would be more protected against the delta variant than they are naturally. treating covid like it was a danger to kids was stupid. the same can be said of anyone under 30. no science behind it, just the politics of fear driven by an irrational leftist press and seized upon by leftist politicians to damage trump. tds has put everyone in greater danger. thanks leftists.
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Or… and now here me out… the variants would have arisen here.

Now we have the idea that disease mitigation efforts during a global pandemic of a novel virus is somehow “leftist” is just wild.

Buck wild even.

[Ben_Natuf]

don’t blame me, its the left that politicized the whole thing in their tds fevered dileriums. they say “follow the science” and then promptly do the opposite claiming its “science”

[Jezcoe]

@Ben_Natuf

don’t blame me, its the left that politicized the whole thing in their tds fevered dileriums. they say “follow the science” and then promptly do the opposite claiming its “science”

“The Left”

It is always the fault of “the left”

[WuWei]

We bring mandates and zero tolerance on ourselves.

I haven’t seen a single medical reason for a average adult American to not get vaccinated posted on this forum. Or even a logical reason.

As for the shingles and flu recommendation, I haven’t looked but I’d bet there is a time frame on it.

I’m not trying to convince anybody and I certainly don’t advocate mandates, but if you want autonomy you have to make good decisions consistently.

Freedom requires personal responsibility.

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

It is always the fault of “the left”

That part is true.

[johnwk2]

@WuWei

@johnwk2

As I have repeatedly stated, only a doctor and their patient are in a position to decide whether or not the use of the covid vaccine is beneficial.

You said it was a recommendation. How long is the recommendation for? Life? A week? This year?

That would be decided by a doctor and their patient. One size, so to speak, does not fit all!

JWK

[WuWei]

@johnwk2

@WuWei

@johnwk2

As I have repeatedly stated, only a doctor and their patient are in a position to decide whether or not the use of the covid vaccine is beneficial.

You said it was a recommendation. How long is the recommendation for? Life? A week? This year?

That would be decided by a doctor and their patient. One size, so to speak, does not fit all!

JWK

Sure, but there is a recommendation somewhere.

[PurpnGold]

@Ben_Natuf

in place after place the pattern of spread is repeated, mask or no mask, shut down or no shut down. it takes hold, it increases until it reaches a level where there are not enough vectors to continue spreading rapidly, plateau’s and then drops. nothing we have done has changed the pattern except vaccination, and with delta, thats not even as effective unless the moderna vaccine is wide spread instead of either az, j&j or pfizer. the best thing young and healthy adults can do to turn this pandemic into a lessor flu if they won’t get vaccinated is get covid.

Although Covid still spread in areas with mask mandates and/or shutdowns, how do we know that the spread wouldn’t have been worse WITHOUT those mandates in areas of dense population?

Same can be said about kids…and remote learning

[Ben_Natuf]

this was. you can go all the way back to april of last year when people who were following the science said… open the damned schools and those playing on the politics of fear said… oh… the children. what exactly were we protecting them from? we already knew covid was not a danger to them

[johnwk2]

@WuWei

@johnwk2

@WuWei

@johnwk2

As I have repeatedly stated, only a doctor and their patient are in a position to decide whether or not the use of the covid vaccine is beneficial.

You said it was a recommendation. How long is the recommendation for? Life? A week? This year?

That would be decided by a doctor and their patient. One size, so to speak, does not fit all!

JWK

Sure, but there is a recommendation somewhere.

From the mountain of information I have studied, the consensus is, those who have recently been vaccinated for the Flu or Shingles should not get the vaccine. I do not recall coming across a timeline to avoid the vaccine under these conditions. I imagine your doctor could provide the answer.

JWK

[Jezcoe]

@Ben_Natuf

this was. you can go all the way back to april of last year when people who were following the science said… open the damned schools and those playing on the politics of fear said… oh… the children. what exactly were we protecting them from? we already knew covid was not a danger to them

It was to protect the teachers.

[WuWei]

Where are you getting the shingles/flu thing?

Contraindications to mRNA COVID-19 vaccinationPfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccinesContraindications to either of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines:Severe allergic reaction (e.g., anaphylaxis) after a previous dose of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine or to any of its componentsImmediate allergic reaction of any severity to a previous dose of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine or any of its components (including polyethylene glycol [PEG])*Immediate allergic reaction of any severity to polysorbate (due to potential cross-reactive hypersensitivity with the vaccine ingredient PEG)*Persons with an immediate allergic reaction to the first dose of an mRNA vaccine should not receive additional doses of either of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. * These persons should not receive mRNA COVID-19 vaccination at this time unless they have been evaluated by an allergist-immunologist and it is determined that the person can safely receive the vaccine (e.g. under observation, in a setting with advanced medical care available).

https://dsh.ca.gov/COVID-19/docs/Vaccination/COVID-19_Vaccines_Update_on_Allergic_Reactions_Contraindications_and_Precautions.pdf

The only contraindication I see is an allergic reaction from a previous dose of the same vaccine.

[WuWei]

@johnwk2

recently

Define “recently”.

[WuWei]

@PurpnGold

@Ben_Natuf

in place after place the pattern of spread is repeated, mask or no mask, shut down or no shut down. it takes hold, it increases until it reaches a level where there are not enough vectors to continue spreading rapidly, plateau’s and then drops. nothing we have done has changed the pattern except vaccination, and with delta, thats not even as effective unless the moderna vaccine is wide spread instead of either az, j&j or pfizer. the best thing young and healthy adults can do to turn this pandemic into a lessor flu if they won’t get vaccinated is get covid.

Although Covid still spread in areas with mask mandates and/or shutdowns, how do we know that the spread wouldn’t have been worse WITHOUT those mandates in areas of dense population?

Same can be said about kids…and remote learning

No. You don’t get to say that.

[WuWei]

More readable?

[Ben_Natuf]

so mask them, social distance and put up plexi glass.

we also knew that children rarely spread covid when it was the alpha variant or the original wuhan

[johnwk2]

@WuWei

@johnwk2

recently

Define “recently”.

As I have stated, your doctor would be in a position to answer that particular question as related to your circumstances.

JWK

[Ben_Natuf]

no, the same cannot be said. “what if” ain’t science. its paranoia