Who has said “make her have the baby”?
The State of Ohio.
To be fair- not THIS 11 year old girl…but an 11 year old girl just like her after the law takes effect.
Georgia has done the same thing…and will also punish if the person goes out of state to have the abortion.
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Go back and read- there’s at least one poster on this thread who has essentially said that.
Actually, it does. Any relationship between morality and the law are coincidental, not causal. How can anyone honestly make the claim that killing unborn children is moral just because it is legal? If you think that, you do not understand either morality or the law.
Not my job. I found one person for you who said that said there is a good solution. Now it is your turn to find one who said “make her have the baby.”
You’re arguing precisely backwards.
A hunch. And no I do not know your personal beliefs, but I dont think I’m mistaken in the fact that most people opposed to abortion do so for moral and religious reasons.
And yes, atheists have morals, religon is not required for that.
Because it is in conflict with the moral concept of a woman having bodily autonomy.
It is two equally valid pieces of morality that we all supposedly hold dear and where those meet is what informs the law.
So it isn’t coincidental in the least bit. If it had nothing to with morality then it would be an easy law for me everyone to agree on.
What do you mean “what?” I was perfectly clear. The law is not what determines either morality or immorality.
But I am glad you have come around to my position. The two competing concepts ARE equal. Therefore, there is no good solution to the conflict between them. You are right, it is NOT black and white, and (if you are implying that I am the “one” you are referring to) I have never said that is. I have from post one, frequently and consistently said the exact opposite.
- The State of Ohio is not participating in this discussion.
- The State of Ohio is not forcing her to have her baby.
Come around to your position.
Oh please.
It is the position I have had since the beginning.
What I see being parsed out here is a denial that the morality of the situation has nothing to do with the law… which is quite silly.
Jezcoe did not say the law determines that which is moral and that which is immoral.
He said morality informs the law, which is an entirely different statement altogether.
The State of Ohio is the reason for this discussion.
The State of Ohio would make the next tragic rape victim of any age have the baby.
Thank you.
I thought I was going crazy.
Nope. And the example of laws permitting abortion proves that. The law does not determine what is or is not moral. Sometimes the two … the law and morality … coincide, but in fact, there is no requirement that there be, and most often, there is no connection or as is the case with permissive abortion laws, the exact opposite occurs. Nobody can honestly say that the legal killing unborn babies is moral.
So why cloud the discussion with such hunches?
I would never let my 11 year old daughter keep a rape baby if that makes me immoral so ■■■■■■■ be it
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No one can claim that forcing a woman to carry to term a pregnancy that is the result of a rape is moral either.
I am glad to hear that. It was not clear from your vigorous argument against my position that in fact, you agree with me. Were you just playing devils advocate or did you not understand what I was saying?
I am not the one who brought the law into the discussion to rationalize the killing of unborn babies which we both agree (apparently,) is immoral. That was you. So silly is as silly does.
