Sanctuary Cities, Good? Or Bad?

No it isn’t. None of it is given to illegals. You insisting that it somehow is doesn’t change that fact.

And that’s patentlyh false. Everyone of those going through catch and release is getting those benefits under the unaccompanied and families of minors.

That source is garbage Rose. Even their citation links are broken. Again, making the same claim over and over doesn’t make it true.

Also the law the article cites isn’t actually a law. There were two seperate bills for the law, both in 2005. The first 2005 bill passed the Senate, but was never voted on in the house. The other one was introduced, but never went to a vote in either the house or the Senate and was instead submitted to a committee, where it promptly died.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/immigration/child-migrants-to-the-united-states.aspx#benefits

The Homeland Security Act of 2002 (P.L. 107-296) divided responsibility for unaccompanied children between DHS and HHS.

Once apprehended and detained by Customs and Border Patrol (CBP), agents interview the child and conduct a screening. A child, who at the time of apprehension has no lawful immigration status in the U.S., is under 18 years of age, and has no parent or legal guardian in the country present or available to provide care and physical custody, meets the statutory definition of “unaccompanied minor.” They must be transferred into the custody of the HHS within 72 hours. A new policy for fast-track hearings is being implemented by the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR), mandating courts to schedule initial hearings for individuals within 21 days of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) initiating removal proceedings.

Once in HHS custody, ORR is responsible for caring for the minors and releasing them to family members or sponsors regardless of the sponsor’s immigration status. ORR estimates that it places 90 percent of children with a family member or friend, reuniting close to 30 percent with a parent. In the other 10 percent of cases, the child will be placed in foster care. After being placed either with a sponsor or in foster care, every child is put into deportation proceedings pursuant to the Immigration and Nationality Act.

The Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008 (P.L. 110-457) requires DHS to screen unaccompanied minors as potential victims of human trafficking and offers additional legal protections. The act stipulates that unaccompanied alien children from noncontiguous countries must be transferred to the care and custody of HHS and placed in formal removal proceedings. Children from Mexico and Canada are screened and returned to their home countries within 48 hours.

Every kid put into the system is getting benefits

. The FY13 [HHS appropriation]> (https://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/olab/2015_acf_cj_posted_on_3_7_14.pdf) for the Unaccompanied Minor Program was $376 million, increased to $868 million in FY14. The FY2015 Administration proposal remains at $868 million, due to the unpredictable number of arrivals. In May, 2014, the Office of Management and Budget revised cost projections for FY2015 to $2.28 billion for the Unaccompanied Alien Children program in ORR, an increase of $1.412 billion from FY14. Funding covers costs for shelter, medical care, support services, and grants to state-licensed facilities for shelter and foster care.

The FY15 DHS appropriations seeks $77 million above the request for CBP to provide initial processing, medical care, food, shelter and clothing for the estimated 145,000 unaccompanied immigrant children in fiscal year 2015 and $87.6 million above the request for the transportation of unaccompanied immigrant children from DHS custody to shelters operated by ORR.

Children who are not placed with a sponsor are cared for through a network of private and public ORR-funded care provider facilities. Each unaccompanied minor in the care of ORR is eligible for the same range of child welfare benefits as non-refugee children in the state, with the potential for additional services for the preservation of the minor’s ethnic and religious heritage (see HHS program regulations at 45 CFR 400.118(b)(6)). ORR reimburses costs incurred on behalf of each child until the month after his or her 18th birthday or such higher age as is permitted under the state’s plan under title IV-B of the Social Security Act. Standards for the state-administered unaccompanied minor refugee and entrant program require the state to provide organizational leadership and administrative support; monitor services; establishes legal responsibility under state child welfare laws; and, encourages the reunion in the U.S. of unaccompanied minor refugees with their parents or other appropriate relative.

Of course once their “sponsors” can convince a judge to reclassify them as refugees or asylees then they become fully eligible for every benefit afforded to those groups.

To pretend they aren’t getting welfare is just ridiculous. Food, shelter, healthcare, education, clothing, transportation, all at taxpayer expense.

Must have just glossed over that part.

Only those put with family sponsors, all of them put into the system get full welfare benefits. I didn’t gloss over anything.

Every kid put into the system is getting benefits

And they’re required to get a hearing within 48 hours. So your beef is they’re getting benefits while under the care of ORR for a whole 48 hours? :roll_eyes:

That’s just their initial hearing, they can then remain in foster care for years while their cases are resolved.

That’s not what your link says.

So 90% of cases, they aren’t eligible for benefits. The other 10% they’re only eligible while under the care of ORR. Once they go into foster care, they aren’t eligible.

Within 48 hours. How unreasonable.

Where did I say anything about the pecentages exactly?

Oh, we missed this.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/immigration/federal-benefits-to-unauthorized-immigrants.aspx

Enjoy your reading.

Of course those prior stats were all recorded long before the border surge which backed up the system by over three years so we need to account for those changes as well.

Seems like faulty logic to me. If I have a city population of 100k and 5% dont have insurance, than that is 5k people driving around within the city without insurance. If I now ad 10k Illegals, assuming they are at the same rate of 5%, I just added an additional 500 un-insured people. Why would anyone want that?

Q: what’s the difference between uninsured cars?

A: There is none.

Allan

and most illegals in Dover, NJ dont have cars.

They send the majority of the money home to Mexico.

Allan

…I thought we already established that… 500.

They’re given benefits for emergencies. So what?

The link you cited gave the percentages. 90% of cases the children are placed into foster care (they already know they have no family here) or with a family member and are not eligible for benefits. The other 10%, which you have a problem with, receive benefits while under the care of ORR. Once they go into foster care, they lose them. Once they’re placed with either a sponsor or in foster care, they are put into deportation proceedings. You claim they stay under the care of ORR for years. I’m not seeing it. Instead, it looks like they only stay under the care of ORR until it can be established that they have no sponsor or family member to be returned to, then they’re placed into foster care.

Yes, but Illegals are poor and dont have cars.

so that 500 number is bogus.

Allan

I agree that the number is probably bogus. I would expect it to be much higher. Because they are poorer, they drive POSes, and the insurance is the first thing they let go.

I think that if we are going to have Socialism, at least be like Europe and make it available to citizens exclusively. In other words, keep illegal immigrants out, if we are going to take the Socialist route. We can’t have our cake and eat it too- the economy will fail if that happens, because it’ll cause more people to come to the U.S. looking for freebies with nothing to give back. Then the state will start expecting people to give back in other ways, which will be not so pleasant.

Ideally, in my opinion, I think that sanctuary cities are really hurting the U.S. Yes, it’s important to be kind, but you give them inch they’ll take a mile. I think what should happen with the Dreamers, with the kids who were taken over to the U.S. as young babies or toddlers, is they get a work visa, and then use that time before the visa expires to apply for citizenship. Learn the history, get finger prints scanned, etc. (or complete as much as they can) all in that time frame. And if their parents are still here, deport them for being such scum for setting their children up for a bleak future, and for not being citizens, but give the dreamers a chance to thrive in the country, during the naturalization process and after they become citizens. I think that is fair.

It is worth noting that sanctuary cities create fertile ground for human and sex trafficking rings, as well as illegal substances. It’s just not worth it, imo, to risk those kinds of things in the U.S.

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The number of them on the highway to start with.

Each time you add one more the odds increase that you will be hit by one.