No need for federal minimum wage

[Tom_Ch]

@SixFoot

@Ben_Natuf

then stop giving out free money. t

I noticed nobody is complaining about the stimulus checks with Biden’s signature on them.

It’s a norm now. President can put his name of the check. The previous guy set up precedent.

[SixFoot]

Yeah, now it’s all goo(D).

[Paul_Do]

@zantax

@Paul_Do

@Toll_Collector

@Paul_Do

@Toll_Collector

@Paul_Do

The problem is that taxpayers pay the average employee of a company like Walmart 8,000 dollars a year in benifits giving them a massive competitive advantage over their non parasitic competition and they spend that savings trying to convince people that isn’t really a problem.

Why bother trying to get a 12$ an hour wage over a 8$ an hour one when it will cost you your taxpayer funded benifits. This keeps employees satisfied working for peanuts from the company but being supported by the government.

Then companies like Costco who pay living wages and are not using the taxpayers to subsidize their workforce are at a massive competitive disadvantage. This is completely unsustainable

I’m just quoting this, the rest isn’t needed anymore. I am fully aware of everything you said. My problem was with your solution. Does it cost me more, or less? If more, why should I care? And before you ask, I am one of those people that believe I got mine, you get yours. I’ll need incentive to worry about you.

Im pretty much with you.

The issue is that we are in a completely unsustainable system that caused an environment where parasitic companies that drain the taxpayers are at an massive advantage. What is going on at the low wage jobs is slowly working it’s way up and it is not possible to subsidize everyone like we do Walmart employees. But now people who work middleclass jobs that traditionally would allow you to support yourself are also starting to receive taxpayer benifits.

I am aware of this. I think these companies should pay through the nose for government subsidizing their employees. Much more than if they paid them enough to not need government aid. That’s my solution. How to go about it? It shouldn’t be that hard to do. These companies and my fellow republicans act as if prices have to be raised. They don’t. I’ve lived long enough to know that. They’re just trying to make as much money as possible with no regard for anyone else. Ok.

I just don’t see how a universal income is even feasible.

Wow, that works too just didn’t think cons would be ok with that. The prices will increase argument is nonsense in most cases. Especially since using Walmart for example they could afford to cover the like 10 billion dollars a year taxpayers pay their employees and and they would still profit 7 billion a year. If they decide to raise prices in order to keep their profits at the prior level then the companies like Costco who are not being subsidized would have a massive price advantage. Why would people shop at Walmart when everything costs 10% more but most other stores have the same prices?

What is going on now is so far from capitalism.

So we are just going to ignore what they are currently paying labor now?

What do you mean?

[Ben_Natuf]

i don’t know what lies the leftist masters have fed you, but wages at the lower end were ibncreasing throughout trump’s presidency. started well before the pandemic

[Liberty323]

@Smyrna

@Tom_Ch

Im wondering if this will increase prices for restaurants and other industries.

What it will do is increase automation and put these people that can’t earn a living wage because they don’t offer the necessary skills…out on the streets. Nice work dumb ass, non-business acumen politicians.

I believe this is the intent and desire.

[Tom_Ch]

@Liberty323

@Smyrna

@Tom_Ch

Im wondering if this will increase prices for restaurants and other industries.

What it will do is increase automation and put these people that can’t earn a living wage because they don’t offer the necessary skills…out on the streets. Nice work dumb ass, non-business acumen politicians.

I believe this is the intent and desire.

as it should, the people will have to find other jobs. automation will continue to expand its reach in workplace. there is no way to stop progress.

[Liberty323]

@Tom_Ch

@Liberty323

@Smyrna

@Tom_Ch

Im wondering if this will increase prices for restaurants and other industries.

What it will do is increase automation and put these people that can’t earn a living wage because they don’t offer the necessary skills…out on the streets. Nice work dumb ass, non-business acumen politicians.

I believe this is the intent and desire.

as it should, the people will have to find other jobs. automation will continue to expand its reach in workplace. there is no way to stop progress.

Educated people in Western countries understand this, and act accordingly by having fewer children than they can afford. The ones from countries that breed like rats and come across our borders don’t care. This country will resemble Blade Runner in my lifetime I’m afraid.

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@Ben_Natuf

i don’t know what lies the leftist masters have fed you, but wages at the lower end were ibncreasing throughout trump’s presidency. started well before the pandemic

Right. Which explains all the strikes by the fast food workers during the same time period.

In addition, even if wages were rising, they sure as hell weren’t rising to over 2X the minimum wage.

Why do you keep trying to gaslight me? You really aren’t very good at it.

[Paul_Do]

@Ben_Natuf

i don’t know what lies the leftist masters have fed you, but wages at the lower end were ibncreasing throughout trump’s presidency. started well before the pandemic

If this was true and wages were rising why are we paying more to subsidize companies workforces

[Tom_Ch]

@Liberty323

@Tom_Ch

@Liberty323

@Smyrna

@Tom_Ch

Im wondering if this will increase prices for restaurants and other industries.

What it will do is increase automation and put these people that can’t earn a living wage because they don’t offer the necessary skills…out on the streets. Nice work dumb ass, non-business acumen politicians.

I believe this is the intent and desire.

as it should, the people will have to find other jobs. automation will continue to expand its reach in workplace. there is no way to stop progress.

Educated people in Western countries understand this, and act accordingly by having fewer children than they can afford. The ones from countries that breed like rats and come across our borders don’t care. This country will resemble Blade Runner in my lifetime I’m afraid.

I do wish people will have less children OR have children than they can care for.

You are wrong to think that this is limited to other countries. In some areas of US and certain segment of US, people are having kids when they shouldn’t be.

[zantax]

@Paul_Do

What do you mean?

I mean I posted their starting pay rates and it averages around 17 an hour.

[Liberty323]

@Tom_Ch

@Liberty323

@Tom_Ch

@Liberty323

@Smyrna

@Tom_Ch

Im wondering if this will increase prices for restaurants and other industries.

What it will do is increase automation and put these people that can’t earn a living wage because they don’t offer the necessary skills…out on the streets. Nice work dumb ass, non-business acumen politicians.

I believe this is the intent and desire.

as it should, the people will have to find other jobs. automation will continue to expand its reach in workplace. there is no way to stop progress.

Educated people in Western countries understand this, and act accordingly by having fewer children than they can afford. The ones from countries that breed like rats and come across our borders don’t care. This country will resemble Blade Runner in my lifetime I’m afraid.

I do wish people will have less children OR have children than they can care for.

You are wrong to think that this is limited to other countries. In some areas of US and certain segment of US, people are having kids when they shouldn’t be.

Right, that’s why I said “educated” people are acting accordingly. That leaves the ones who keep popping them out but shouldn’t be.

[zantax]

@Liberty323

Right, that’s why I said “educated” people are acting accordingly. That leaves the ones who keep popping them out but shouldn’t be.

Doesn’t that make educated people fairly stupid as well? Allowing the country to be repopulated by the stupid, doesn’t seem real smart.

[Smyrna]

@FloridaYankee

Not all are capable, for myriad reasons.

Yes…and there’s almost always a needle in the haystack. You look for that and I’ll concentrate on the haystack.

[ResPrivita]

@Paul_Do

No one is living on 7$ an hour they are getting what amounts to 6-7$ an hour in assistance as well

Which is still garbage…
But, what such groveling for subsistence, “help”; as one works hard; harder, than most first world workers does is a promotion of a deep ceded hate for one’s own Country, as you realize you are worthless to it, other than a pawn in an Un-Natural rigged game to relieve you of your labor for purpose not fully to suit you best.
Labor theft is Un-Natural, and at the heart of most, if not all Socialist movements.
One is better off rejecting this Society, marching into the woods, and making a Natural life for themselves there.
Ohh’ right, can’t do that anymore, since when, 1978 right?
A forced treadmill…
All such machines wear out.

[Ben_Natuf]

maybe you should learn what a word means before you attempt to use it?

look, i get it, you hate trump. truth is however truth. trump is the first president we’ve had in quite a long time that got lower end wages rising faster than upper end. he did this with sound economic policy. now, its got little to do with sound policy, in fact, its the opposite.

[Ben_Natuf]

lol, we were not. its a leftist fantasy. there is no “if” about it. wages at the bottom were increasing faster than wages at the top and the wage gap was decreasing pre pandemic. fist time in many years for that

[zantax]

@ResPrivita

@Paul_Do

No one is living on 7$ an hour they are getting what amounts to 6-7$ an hour in assistance as well

Which is still garbage…
But, what such groveling for subsistence, “help”; as one works hard; harder, than most first world workers does is a promotion of a deep ceded hate for one’s own Country, as you realize you are worthless to it, other than a pawn in an Un-Natural rigged game to relieve you of your labor for purpose not fully to suit you best.
Labor theft is Un-Natural, and at the heart of most, if not all Socialist movements.
One is better off rejecting this Society, marching into the woods, and making a Natural life for themselves there.
Ohh’ right, can’t do that anymore, since when, 1978 right?
A forced treadmill…
All such machines wear out.

Fundamental misunderstanding of how the labor market works. And it isn’t societies or governments fault if you don’t have a marketable skill, look in a mirror.

[Paul_Do]

Do you really not understand that these numbers documented statistics? You are out here saying the recorded amount of welfare spending is a leftist fantasy.

Is the recorded GDP or amount of education spending also a leftist fantasy???

But ok got anything at all to defend that claim🤣 besides trump says so

[Ben_Natuf]

your fantasies are fantastical.

the poverty rate declined pre pandemic throughout trumps presidency
the wage gap declined pre pandemic throughout trumps presidency
lower end wages rose pre pandemic throughout trumps presidency
unemployment was at record lows for all demographics

and, after the dust cleared in the final 2 quarters of 2020

the US economy was rebounding faster than any other economy in the world.
unemployment dropped faster than at any time in history

joe biden was handed a roaring economy with growth the last 2 quaters of 2020 and 1st quarter 2021 of 36%, 4.3%, and 6.4%

from the ue pandemic high of 14.8% enougg jobs came back to shrink the ue rate from 14.8% to 6.0% by the end of the 1sr quarter 2021. since then joe has managed to get it to 5.9.

documented statistics