No need for federal minimum wage

Smyrna · July 28, 2021, 1:10pm

Ben_Natuf · July 28, 2021, 1:13pm

rising wages in a healthy economy is a good thing. when the pressure to increase wages is a result of outside influences not connected to the economies growth and room for wage increases the resultant wage inflation will be the catalyst for more systemic inflation throughout the economy. this will have te effect of wiping out any gains and devaluing the currency. its good news for the government though, monetizing the debt will make it easier to keep up on.

FreeAndClear · July 28, 2021, 1:15pm

Yeah like all those car dealer apps that are having so much success …… well not really.

zantax · July 28, 2021, 1:15pm

I used one of those, once, in a grocery store and then thought, hey, I have no interest in being a cashier.

Tom_Ch · July 28, 2021, 1:16pm

i agree that cashier can be easily replaced. other positions, not so much…yet.

FloridaYankee · July 28, 2021, 1:22pm

If everybody would do that it would be great, but it’s a utopian pipe dream and will never ever happen, not now not ever. Did I say never ever ever? That’s a fact.

Supreme_War_Pig · July 28, 2021, 1:26pm

What Trump policy? Be specific.

Smyrna · July 28, 2021, 1:29pm

…and that’s why it’s been labeled, “the American Dream”. The opportunity is there for all but not all make the effort to grasp the opportunity.

Smyrna · July 28, 2021, 1:31pm

…I heard the same back in the 80s about computers. Wake up, it’s coming.

Ben_Natuf · July 28, 2021, 1:35pm

i would have to say the individual policies that likely effected it more than others were reciprocal trade and corporate tax policies which made a lot of sense. i like free trade, so long as the base your working from has some sort of parity. i’ve always thought this. it is a tough problem though. situations like autoworkers make it so. while the same workers doing the same job in mexico are underpaid, us autoworkers are overpaid (considering total compensation).

Paul_Do · July 28, 2021, 1:40pm

Toll_Collector:

Paul_Do:

Toll_Collector:

Paul_Do:

The problem is that taxpayers pay the average employee of a company like Walmart 8,000 dollars a year in benifits giving them a massive competitive advantage over their non parasitic competition and they spend that savings trying to convince people that isn’t really a problem.

Why bother trying to get a 12$ an hour wage over a 8$ an hour one when it will cost you your taxpayer funded benifits. This keeps employees satisfied working for peanuts from the company but being supported by the government.

Then companies like Costco who pay living wages and are not using the taxpayers to subsidize their workforce are at a massive competitive disadvantage. This is completely unsustainable

I’m just quoting this, the rest isn’t needed anymore. I am fully aware of everything you said. My problem was with your solution. Does it cost me more, or less? If more, why should I care? And before you ask, I am one of those people that believe I got mine, you get yours. I’ll need incentive to worry about you.

Im pretty much with you.

The issue is that we are in a completely unsustainable system that caused an environment where parasitic companies that drain the taxpayers are at an massive advantage. What is going on at the low wage jobs is slowly working it’s way up and it is not possible to subsidize everyone like we do Walmart employees. But now people who work middleclass jobs that traditionally would allow you to support yourself are also starting to receive taxpayer benifits.

I am aware of this. I think these companies should pay through the nose for government subsidizing their employees. Much more than if they paid them enough to not need government aid. That’s my solution. How to go about it? It shouldn’t be that hard to do. These companies and my fellow republicans act as if prices have to be raised. They don’t. I’ve lived long enough to know that. They’re just trying to make as much money as possible with no regard for anyone else. Ok.

I just don’t see how a universal income is even feasible.

Wow, that works too just didn’t think cons would be ok with that. The prices will increase argument is nonsense in most cases. Especially since using Walmart for example they could afford to cover the like 10 billion dollars a year taxpayers pay their employees and and they would still profit 7 billion a year. If they decide to raise prices in order to keep their profits at the prior level then the companies like Costco who are not being subsidized would have a massive price advantage. Why would people shop at Walmart when everything costs 10% more but most other stores have the same prices?

What is going on now is so far from capitalism.

Paul_Do · July 28, 2021, 1:49pm

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rising wages in a healthy economy is a good thing. when the pressure to increase wages is a result of outside influences not connected to the economies growth and room for wage increases the resultant wage inflation will be the catalyst for more systemic inflation throughout the economy. this will have te effect of wiping out any gains and devaluing the currency. its good news for the government though, monetizing the debt will make it easier to keep up on.
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At the low end wages are irrelevant. If you got from 8$ an hour to 11$ you don’t really get any net benifit because you just lose some of your taxpayer funded benifits. Companies know this. I believe this is the main cause of stagnation

FloridaYankee · July 28, 2021, 1:53pm

Not all are capable, for myriad reasons.

Toll_Collector · July 28, 2021, 2:13pm

Paul_Do:

Toll_Collector:

Paul_Do:

Toll_Collector:

Paul_Do:

The problem is that taxpayers pay the average employee of a company like Walmart 8,000 dollars a year in benifits giving them a massive competitive advantage over their non parasitic competition and they spend that savings trying to convince people that isn’t really a problem.

Why bother trying to get a 12$ an hour wage over a 8$ an hour one when it will cost you your taxpayer funded benifits. This keeps employees satisfied working for peanuts from the company but being supported by the government.

Then companies like Costco who pay living wages and are not using the taxpayers to subsidize their workforce are at a massive competitive disadvantage. This is completely unsustainable

I’m just quoting this, the rest isn’t needed anymore. I am fully aware of everything you said. My problem was with your solution. Does it cost me more, or less? If more, why should I care? And before you ask, I am one of those people that believe I got mine, you get yours. I’ll need incentive to worry about you.

Im pretty much with you.

The issue is that we are in a completely unsustainable system that caused an environment where parasitic companies that drain the taxpayers are at an massive advantage. What is going on at the low wage jobs is slowly working it’s way up and it is not possible to subsidize everyone like we do Walmart employees. But now people who work middleclass jobs that traditionally would allow you to support yourself are also starting to receive taxpayer benifits.

I am aware of this. I think these companies should pay through the nose for government subsidizing their employees. Much more than if they paid them enough to not need government aid. That’s my solution. How to go about it? It shouldn’t be that hard to do. These companies and my fellow republicans act as if prices have to be raised. They don’t. I’ve lived long enough to know that. They’re just trying to make as much money as possible with no regard for anyone else. Ok.

I just don’t see how a universal income is even feasible.

Wow, that works too just didn’t think cons would be ok with that. The prices will increase argument is nonsense in most cases. Especially since using Walmart for example they could afford to cover the like 10 billion dollars a year taxpayers pay their employees and and they would still profit 7 billion a year. If they decide to raise prices in order to keep their profits at the prior level then the companies like Costco who are not being subsidized would have a massive price advantage. Why would people shop at Walmart when everything costs 10% more but most other stores have the same prices?

What is going on now is so far from capitalism.

The examples are numerous. Back in the early 80s supermarkets were paying anywhere between 8-12 bucks an hour. They had 10-15 lanes open and an extra 3-5 people to give cashiers breaks and they still made money.

They used to have over 20 toll collectors at busy interchanges and they still made money. Now they have a scant few.

remember Walmart in one of the Dakotas? Starting cashiers at almost 20 bucks an hour due to the oil industry booming? Did they raise prices? No. It’s a battle. With the unions dying off the rank and file employee is taking the hit. It’s a battle to see who can work for the least.

Ben_Natuf · July 28, 2021, 2:15pm

then stop giving out free money. the solution to people not taking jobs because it will cost them benefits is not to give more people more benefits. when trump cut corporate taxes many of the companies used the windfall to fund wage increases and attract a more dependable workforce, walmart being one of the first to do so. the result was increasing wages at the lower end and a decrease in the wage gap.

Supreme_War_Pig · July 28, 2021, 2:24pm

Yet the effects (the great resignation and wage increases) don’t manifest until after the pandemic?

Sorry, that just doesn’t track.

wiley8425 · July 28, 2021, 2:48pm

Probably because there’s still a few states that don’t have their own. But why pay the people that work in those states at all? They should be grateful they even have a job, right?

SixFoot · July 28, 2021, 2:49pm

Killing jobs in the name of a “living wage”. That won’t backfire.

SixFoot · July 28, 2021, 2:50pm

I noticed nobody is complaining about the stimulus checks with Biden’s signature on them.

zantax · July 28, 2021, 2:52pm

Paul_Do:

Toll_Collector:

Paul_Do:

Toll_Collector:

Paul_Do:

The problem is that taxpayers pay the average employee of a company like Walmart 8,000 dollars a year in benifits giving them a massive competitive advantage over their non parasitic competition and they spend that savings trying to convince people that isn’t really a problem.

Why bother trying to get a 12$ an hour wage over a 8$ an hour one when it will cost you your taxpayer funded benifits. This keeps employees satisfied working for peanuts from the company but being supported by the government.

Then companies like Costco who pay living wages and are not using the taxpayers to subsidize their workforce are at a massive competitive disadvantage. This is completely unsustainable

I’m just quoting this, the rest isn’t needed anymore. I am fully aware of everything you said. My problem was with your solution. Does it cost me more, or less? If more, why should I care? And before you ask, I am one of those people that believe I got mine, you get yours. I’ll need incentive to worry about you.

Im pretty much with you.

The issue is that we are in a completely unsustainable system that caused an environment where parasitic companies that drain the taxpayers are at an massive advantage. What is going on at the low wage jobs is slowly working it’s way up and it is not possible to subsidize everyone like we do Walmart employees. But now people who work middleclass jobs that traditionally would allow you to support yourself are also starting to receive taxpayer benifits.

I am aware of this. I think these companies should pay through the nose for government subsidizing their employees. Much more than if they paid them enough to not need government aid. That’s my solution. How to go about it? It shouldn’t be that hard to do. These companies and my fellow republicans act as if prices have to be raised. They don’t. I’ve lived long enough to know that. They’re just trying to make as much money as possible with no regard for anyone else. Ok.

I just don’t see how a universal income is even feasible.

Wow, that works too just didn’t think cons would be ok with that. The prices will increase argument is nonsense in most cases. Especially since using Walmart for example they could afford to cover the like 10 billion dollars a year taxpayers pay their employees and and they would still profit 7 billion a year. If they decide to raise prices in order to keep their profits at the prior level then the companies like Costco who are not being subsidized would have a massive price advantage. Why would people shop at Walmart when everything costs 10% more but most other stores have the same prices?

What is going on now is so far from capitalism.

So we are just going to ignore what they are currently paying labor now?