Nike: Betsy Ross Flag vs the Stars and Bars . . . Confederate flag wins?

PurpnGold · July 3, 2019, 11:35am

Drs · July 3, 2019, 11:42am

Republicans no one should be pressured or forced by the government to bake a cake for a same sex wedding.

Also Republicans if you don’t put a flag we want on your shoes we will try and pressure you.

Camp · July 3, 2019, 11:42am

I have never owned anything NIKE. Always did think they were overpriced and exploited third world labor.

Now I can add monumentally stupid to the list.

johnwk2 · July 3, 2019, 11:43am

Bodecea:

johnwk2:

It is absolutely mind numbing that the pin heads at Nike would intentionally recall a shoe featuring the Betsy Ross flag because it allegedly glorifies slavery and racism. Could it be that Nike may secretly embrace the Stars and Bars, which is the actual flag which flew in opposition to ending slavery and the United States?

Let us review some historical facts for the nitwits at Nike and regarding slavery in America.

Slavery was first introduced on America soil in the early 1600s when a number of slaves were brought to Jamestown, Virginia, a British colony. And millions more were introduced long before the establishment of the United States and its flag.

It was in 1776 and the Revolutionary War, and under what is believed to be a war fought under a Betsy Ross flag, that the good people of America gained their independence from foreign domination [the real culprit of slavery on American soil] and upon gaining their independence the people within a number of the states, exercising their newly found freedom, immediately moved to share the blessings of liberty to all by abolishing slavery!

For example, the people of Vermont took this immediate action in their 1777 declaration of rights, which declared “no … person born in this country, or brought here over sea, ought to beholden by law to serve any person as a servant, slave, or apprentice”. Likewise, the Massachusetts Constitution of 1780 declared that “all men are born free and equal” and was used by the court a few years after its adoption to legally forbid any person to be held as a slave. And, in 1787, the Northwest Ordinance, adopted by the Confederation Congress on July 13, 1787, declared “there shall be neither slavery nor involuntary servitude in the said Territory, otherwise than in the punishment of crimes whereof the party shall have been duly convicted.”

By the year 1788 all the states north of Maryland, except New York and New Jersey, had legislated to extinguish slavery, and by 1804 the remaining two northern states [N.Y. and N.J.] had put slavery to rest.

The truth is, the injustice of slavery was not an injustice inflicted or perpetrated by the government of the United States. Quite the contrary! Upon the creation of the United States government, as witnessed by Article 1, Sec. 2, Clause 3, of the Constitution of the United States, an aversion to slavery was expressed by a specific penalty imposed upon those states having state sponsored slavery. Unfortunately, the constitutional penalty for state-sponsored slavery has been distorted and mischaracterized over the years by race baiters and hustlers who claim the provision “made blacks three-fifths of a person.” But a review of the actual words of Article 1, Sec. 2, clause 3, reveals slave holding states were penalized by this provision which denied them full representation in Congress in proportion to their actual population size—the population of slaves not being fully counted when apportioning representatives among the states, which diminished the voting strength of slave holding states in Congress Assembled!

And then there’s Article 1, Section 9 of our original Constitution by which slavery was intended to be taxed into extinction by the federal government.

”The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.”

Unfortunately, slavery did persist in America after the Revolutionary War, but it did so in a number of southern states and resulted in the War between the States, a war fought under two different flags, the Confederal Flag, and the United States flag which evolved from the Betsy Ross flag and eventually put slavery to rest in the southern states!

So why are the nitwits at Nike pulling a shoe with a flag that resembles the first flag of the United States ___ a flag under which America’s independence was won, a flag representing the northern states which defeated the South, put an end to slavery, and replaced the Confederate flag in the South? Does Niki secretly yearn to see the Confederate flag replace the Betsy Ross flag? Or, are the bone heads at Nike merely victims of a government school eduction/indoctrination?

JWK

The Democrat Party Leadership has been angry, stupid and obnoxious ever since the Republican Party Leadership freed democrat owned slaves. ___ Author unknown

You need to learn about the U.S. Flag code…Nike RIGHTFULLY pulled the sneaker because you cannot use the American flag in advertising or in commercial products. They got it right. You got it wrong. Stop disrespecting the American Flag and the U.S. Flag Code.

You are misrepresenting why Nike pulled the shoe. Stop misrepresenting the facts.

JWK

Without a Fifth Column Media and Yellow Journalism [our MSM], the crisis at our southern border would never have grown to what now amounts to an outright invasion and threatens the general welfare of the United states.

WuWei · July 3, 2019, 11:44am

Camp · July 3, 2019, 11:52am

My Amazon has bikini’s that are American flags.

Perhaps they should be ratted out.

PurpnGold · July 3, 2019, 11:53am

Yea Nike didn’t pull the shoe because of that

Jezcoe · July 3, 2019, 11:57am

Day 2 of people being upset over shoes that they were never going to buy in the first place.

Mountain_Soldier · July 3, 2019, 12:00pm

They pulled it because of Kaepernick. Guess he’s the new CEO.

PurpnGold · July 3, 2019, 12:19pm

Sounds like he at least had some influence…

WuWei · July 3, 2019, 12:21pm

Sounds like he has the CEO’s testicles in a jar on his mantle.

PurpnGold · July 3, 2019, 12:23pm

Kap isn’t that powerful. He had influence but I don’t believe it was removed based ONLY on his opinion. The shoes were already produced. They probably lose close to what they are paying Kap.

No way he wasn’t the only reason.

WuWei · July 3, 2019, 12:28pm

So they produced the shoes without doing their research first?

PurpnGold · July 3, 2019, 12:33pm

Possibly. They’ve done it before.

I would also say this would be an easy “outrage” to miss. I didn’t even know the Betsy Ross flag was leveraged by a specific hate group. Not saying I am the TMZ of the black community but I was like “really? Interesting”

Jezcoe · July 3, 2019, 12:38pm

Yep… White Supremacists… they ruin like everything.

Here is a link which shows some KKK imagery with the Betsy Ross Flag. It is a CNN story. I didn’t want to upload the image directly because that seems like pushing the boundries of the TOS.

If this is a TOS violation then I apologize in advance. This is meant to add to the conversation.

Conservative_frk · July 3, 2019, 12:39pm

Just read this morning a dozen pairs had sold on StockX for over $1000 a pair. Ridiculous…

Toll_Collector · July 3, 2019, 12:45pm

That’s what I heard as well. Up until now I haven’t boycotted anything. Not football, not Nike, not anything related to Colin. But if a company is going to go as far as not only hiring, but taking the advice of a bitter anti American in regards to the flag in any capacity, that’s where I part ways. Not a big deal overall. They won’t miss me and I won’t miss them.

DOLOOP · July 3, 2019, 12:46pm

johnwk2:

It is absolutely mind numbing that the pin heads at Nike would intentionally recall a shoe featuring the Betsy Ross flag because it allegedly glorifies slavery and racism. Could it be that Nike may secretly embrace the Stars and Bars, which is the actual flag which flew in opposition to ending slavery and the United States?

Let us review some historical facts for the nitwits at Nike and regarding slavery in America.

Slavery was first introduced on America soil in the early 1600s when a number of slaves were brought to Jamestown, Virginia, a British colony. And millions more were introduced long before the establishment of the United States and its flag.

It was in 1776 and the Revolutionary War, and under what is believed to be a war fought under a Betsy Ross flag, that the good people of America gained their independence from foreign domination [the real culprit of slavery on American soil] and upon gaining their independence the people within a number of the states, exercising their newly found freedom, immediately moved to share the blessings of liberty to all by abolishing slavery!

For example, the people of Vermont took this immediate action in their 1777 declaration of rights, which declared “no … person born in this country, or brought here over sea, ought to beholden by law to serve any person as a servant, slave, or apprentice”. Likewise, the Massachusetts Constitution of 1780 declared that “all men are born free and equal” and was used by the court a few years after its adoption to legally forbid any person to be held as a slave. And, in 1787, the Northwest Ordinance, adopted by the Confederation Congress on July 13, 1787, declared “there shall be neither slavery nor involuntary servitude in the said Territory, otherwise than in the punishment of crimes whereof the party shall have been duly convicted.”

By the year 1788 all the states north of Maryland, except New York and New Jersey, had legislated to extinguish slavery, and by 1804 the remaining two northern states [N.Y. and N.J.] had put slavery to rest.

The truth is, the injustice of slavery was not an injustice inflicted or perpetrated by the government of the United States. Quite the contrary! Upon the creation of the United States government, as witnessed by Article 1, Sec. 2, Clause 3, of the Constitution of the United States, an aversion to slavery was expressed by a specific penalty imposed upon those states having state sponsored slavery. Unfortunately, the constitutional penalty for state-sponsored slavery has been distorted and mischaracterized over the years by race baiters and hustlers who claim the provision “made blacks three-fifths of a person.” But a review of the actual words of Article 1, Sec. 2, clause 3, reveals slave holding states were penalized by this provision which denied them full representation in Congress in proportion to their actual population size—the population of slaves not being fully counted when apportioning representatives among the states, which diminished the voting strength of slave holding states in Congress Assembled!

And then there’s Article 1, Section 9 of our original Constitution by which slavery was intended to be taxed into extinction by the federal government.

”The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.”

Unfortunately, slavery did persist in America after the Revolutionary War, but it did so in a number of southern states and resulted in the War between the States, a war fought under two different flags, the Confederal Flag, and the United States flag which evolved from the Betsy Ross flag and eventually put slavery to rest in the southern states!

So why are the nitwits at Nike pulling a shoe with a flag that resembles the first flag of the United States ___ a flag under which America’s independence was won, a flag representing the northern states which defeated the South, put an end to slavery, and replaced the Confederate flag in the South? Does Niki secretly yearn to see the Confederate flag replace the Betsy Ross flag? Or, are the bone heads at Nike merely victims of a government school eduction/indoctrination?

JWK

The Democrat Party Leadership has been angry, stupid and obnoxious ever since the Republican Party Leadership freed democrat owned slaves. ___ Author unknown

None of this is relevant .

Nike made a business decision because Midern-day white nationalists have co-coopted the imagery of that flag.

Your beef is with them, not Nike. Fortunately, republicans are in a unique position to help stop the coopting of the flag by white nationalists because white nationalists are uniquely attracted to Republicans, especially their current leader.

This is an opportunity for Republicans to do good.

PurpnGold · July 3, 2019, 12:50pm

I just checked the app and I don’t see them listed. But I wouldn’t be surprised.

PurpnGold · July 3, 2019, 12:54pm

Like I said above. No way Kap was the single voice that made Nike not sell shoes they already produced. He was likely an influence but not a huge one. Nike has much bigger spokespeople like Lebron, Tiger, Kobe, Serena, Jordan… if they all objected then I can see why they would.

By the way… Kap isn’t anti American… he is anti police brutality… anti racism.