I hope so. We can carry on business without issue. Until we see the plan I don’t know how we can have confidence things won’t become worse.
Did all countries get exposed to Coronavirus on the exact same day?
Unfortunately that isn’t true. Outcomes on cancer survival are fairly comparable which is surprising since the US spends 2-3x as much.
Yes, this would be the perfect time to flee the thread, although with your record on this subject I can see why you keep flinging turds at the fan.
We should seriously consider suspending air travel to/from China for all non citizens and institute a quarantine protocol for returning citizens.
All arriving ships should be stopped before reaching US ports by the CG and/or Navy to have everyone on board examined as well.
Don’t allow Chinese citizens to disembark at all and again, where necessary institute quarantine policies for returning Americans.
At this point in time, based on the available data, this is much more media hysteria than a true emergency. Unless China is completely fabricating the numbers, this particular strain of coronavirus does not appear to be significantly more virulent than typical strain. It does not approach the severity of SARS or MERS and as of now has a transmission rate (R0 to keep it simple) that is somewhat high, but still much lower than SARS.
This could change. It could hit a huge population center, mutat…
Strong precautions are not a metric of disease severity. Disease mortality and rate of spread are. I’ll base my views on these facts rather than how tough the travel restrictions are.
What facts are you referring to? Here are some real facts.
Mortality rates -
Wuhan coronavirus mortality rate: 4%
SARS coronavirus mortality rate: 10%
MERS coronavirus mortality rate: 30%
Transmissibility (R0, higher number is more transmissible) -
Wuhan coronavirus R0: 1.4-2.5
SARS coronavirus R0: 2-5
MERS coronavirus R0: 0.5-1
More transmissible than MERS, less transmissible than SARS. Much less deadly than either.
15 posts on your part. A link to a Yahoo article and zero facts to back your paranoia. Plenty is known. The entire virus genome has been sequenced. Mortality and reproduction rates have been calculated and are continuing to be updated.
I know science and statistics aren’t going to change your mind. You can continue to ignore them.
There’s enough data to calculate mortality rate and R0 to the 95% confidence interval. Like I said, unless it mutates or China is lying, this is 99% hysteria.
Like I said, I didn’t expect facts to change your mind. Luckily, disease severity has zero to do with the degree of message board poster hysteria. You can be as unfoundedly afraid as you want. The virus won’t be any different.
I gave facts. Literal numbers to back what I said. You have unfounded fear and hysteria. That fear and hysteria is much more exciting than the facts and statistics, I’ll give you that.
Projecting? Your beliefs on the severity of this virus are based on travel restrictions and rejection of epidemiology. My beliefs are based on science and statistics. Who’s projecting again?
More travel restrictions and mandatory quarantines for people returning from China are already being put in place.
As of this morning we’re up to 11 confirmed cases in the US.
I’d say that the CDC, NIH and all of the major airlines are definitely concerned at this point and are beginning to implement sensible policies to keep it from becoming epidemic.
Many of the world’s airlines and gov’ts are instituting what seem like sensible policies to that end as well.
Mortality rate (more accurately case fatality rate, but it’s quicker to type mortality rate) could only be lower if prevalence is actually higher than reported.
Mortality rate is deaths due to disease divided by disease prevalence. When the Wuhan coronavirus was first discovered it was in a relatively isolated population. Deaths and prevalence were simpler to calculate. As the virus has spread, deaths remained easy to calculate, but prevalence became much more difficult. That’s why it appears …
The Wuhan CV is just getting started and it’s only been known for about a month.
We don’t need hysterics but we certainly need common sense and to give it the appropriate level of concern along with taking appropriate precautions to limit it’s spread.
More travel restrictions and mandatory quarantines for people returning from China are already being put in place.
As of this morning we’re up to 11 confirmed cases in the US.
I’d say that the CDC, NIH and all of the major airlines are definitely concerned at this point and are beginning to implement sensible policies to keep it from becoming epidemic.
Many of the world’s airlines and gov’ts are instituting what seem like sensible policies to that end as well.
For you of course.
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Perhaps he should have sold his casino.
a little more persepctive.
right now those 5 european countries have tested 7600 people per million
Well then, move there. Problem solved.
IBC
April 8, 2020, 1:03pm
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I’d rather wait till I can put it into postspective.
Camp:
Wow…Quite a collection!!
Plenty more where those came from.
Projecting? Your beliefs on the severity of this virus are based on travel restrictions and rejection of epidemiology. My beliefs are based on science and statistics. Who’s projecting again?
More travel restrictions and mandatory quarantines for people returning from China are already being put in place.
As of this morning we’re up to 11 confirmed cases in the US.
I’d say that the CDC, NIH and all of the major airlines are definitely concerned at this point and are beginning to implement sensible policies to keep it from becoming epidemic.
Many of the world’s airlines and gov’ts are instituting what seem like sensible policies to that end as well.
Mortality rate (more accurately case fatality rate, but it’s quicker to type mortality rate) could only be lower if prevalence is actually higher than reported.
Mortality rate is deaths due to disease divided by disease prevalence. When the Wuhan coronavirus was first discovered it was in a relatively isolated population. Deaths and prevalence were simpler to calculate. As the virus has spread, deaths remained easy to calculate, but prevalence became much more difficult. That’s why it appears …
The Wuhan CV is just getting started and it’s only been known for about a month.
We don’t need hysterics but we certainly need common sense and to give it the appropriate level of concern along with taking appropriate precautions to limit it’s spread.
More travel restrictions and mandatory quarantines for people returning from China are already being put in place.
As of this morning we’re up to 11 confirmed cases in the US.
I’d say that the CDC, NIH and all of the major airlines are definitely concerned at this point and are beginning to implement sensible policies to keep it from becoming epidemic.
Many of the world’s airlines and gov’ts are instituting what seem like sensible policies to that end as well.
One of us called this right from the start and the other was too busy pontificating and deriding others for legitimate concern to even consider it worthy of taking action all through January and nearly all of February.
Of course with your gift of hindsight you’ve forgotten everything you said in those early days while this administration was acting but suddenly you have nothing but derision for their supposed lack of action.
Is this where you accuse me of quoting you out of context again?
How many have died of the flu this season?
Context would also be nice. The 2017-2018 seasonal flu killed 61,000. The 2018-2019 season killed 34,000. So far this flu season 12,000 have died. Oh yeah, that’s the United States alone. This coronavirus has been attributed to 1,300 deaths, basically none of which are in the US.
Wrong? How was I wrong? You’ve bought into the hysteria and are ignoring facts and context. Enjoy that Kool Aid.
LOL. Armchair epidemiologist here. “Just getting started.” You have to be using satire. I hope. Nah, you really do think you have some magical insight into this that scientists and disease specialists don’t. Sad.
The death rate is concerning but from an economic and infrastructure standpoint the greater problem is the rate of infection and length of time patients are debilitated.
Why? Mortality rate and r0 are both less than SARS. Mortality rate will likely be less than 1% when all things are said and done. Typically people begin recovery by day 11 after onset of symptoms. Seasonal influenza is 14 days.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001316 ?
The new coronavirus isn’t believed to be an airborne virus, like measles or smallpox, that can circulate through the air. “If you have an infected person in the front of the plane, for instance, and you’re in the …
You’re wrong. This virus has already killed more people than SARS have now exceeded those of SARS as was reported a week or more ago.
The smart money right now says we’ll see a global slowdown if not retraction starting probably in the 3rd quarter as a result of this virus and it’s impact on global manufacturing.
The impact of the Wuhan CV is already greater than that of ether SARS or MERS.
LOL. WebMD. You’re an expert now! Maybe read a Cochrane review? A meta-analysis or two? Nah, why bother. (In their defense, your made up “90% effective and over it within 4 days” is nowhere to be seen on WebMD.)
Don’t worry, you’re not alone. I have plenty of patients who use websites, talk radio and social media to become “experts.” The sad thing is, science doesn’t give a pass to the misinformed. They get sick just like everyone else. I take that back, they end up a whole lot sicker. To each…
I’m not claiming. I am a doctor. The whole medical school and MD behind my name. It’s not anything that hasn’t been discussed on here before.
Then you know better.
When used for treatment, antiviral drugs can lessen symptoms and shorten the time you are sick by 1 or 2 days. They also can prevent serious flu complications , like pneumonia. For people at high risk of serious flu complications, treatment with antiviral drugs can mean the difference between milder or more serious illness possibly resulting in a hospital stay. CDC recommends prompt treatment for people who have influenza infection or suspected influenza infection and who …
Read through the thread starting in January, it’s entertaining.
All of these lefties who claim now to have been right from the beginning on this blaming Trump for his failure to act should read their own posts in that thread completely dismissing it for more than two months while this administration was already working the problem.
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i think you’re missing the point. when obama spoke of the constitution being a negative charter of liberties, he was speaking about those things the government was restricted from doing and claiming it was free to do anything not proscribed. this assumes the government has “liberty” to act except where that liberty is negated. this is clearly a misreading of the constitution by his excellency the obamassiah
conan
April 8, 2020, 9:34pm
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2950 people died today in those 5 countries mention in my OP…meanwhile 1750 died in land of no free healthcare.
edit to add yesterday 3700 dies in those 5 countries while 1970 died in land of no socialized medicine.
Chew on that libs and anti Trumpers.
conan:
2950 people died today in those 5 countries mention in my OP…meanwhile 1750 died in land of no free healthcare.
edit to add yesterday 3700 dies in those 5 countries while 1970 died in land of no socialized medicine.
Chew on that libs and anti Trumpers.
I sincerely hope this post ages well.
conan
April 8, 2020, 9:43pm
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My OP aged well.
time of OP Those 5 countries had 165 thousand more infected. 9 days later they still have 160 thousand more infected… Libs here ensured me that we would have surpassed them.
Meanwhile they have 4 times more deaths with china flu.
Slight correction, “proscribed”.
I made that same error a lot till someone pointed it out to me.
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China flu does not exist.
How about COVID-19 made and exported by China?
JayJay
April 9, 2020, 12:12pm
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20% is not “only”. It’s a huge number.
By contrast…that “seasonal flu” everyone is talking about has a 2% hospitalization rate in the US.
A tenfold rate increase in hospitalizations leads to a large impact on our health care infrastructure.
If just 10% of the US population got infected that’s seven MILLION hospitalizations.
Even if you halve it by making an assumption there are just as many unreported COVID cases as there would be reported (current estimates are that only about 25% of cases would go undetected if we had full reporting on those that showed symptoms but I’ll be generous and assume there is one unreported case for every one reported case under full reporting), that would be 3.5 MILLION hospitalizations in the US.
Why is the USA federal government doing this?
