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It is a NYC mandate, just not this one.

Allan

I don’t believe the “Strongly held religious belief” against this particular vaccine.

If the complaint is derived from development using a fetal stem cell line… then there are almost no drugs that are ethical to use.

If this person has taken a Tums then they have used a treatment tested on fetal stem cells.

Irrelevant.

Also conflates testing with development. It’s like saying hey, we poured fetal stem cells on steaks, now you whacky right to lifers can’t eat it any more.

The complaint is that the vaccines were, as per the lawsuit, “either manufactured or tested using material derived from stem cell lines from aborted fetuses.”

That is almost all of modern medicine.

The only person I would would believe has that religious conviction is someone who is an adherent to Christian Science.

Stop making stuff up. We only need to apply the protections of “strict scrutiny” !

Keep in mind “strict scrutiny” protection applies in cases where a government act infringes upon a fundamental, constitutionally protected right, in which case the act must comply with the strict scrutiny test:

(A) be narrowly tailored to achieve the government’s purpose,

(B) the purpose must be clearly defined and be based upon scientific and logical reasoning,

(C) and, it must use the least restrictive means to achieve the government’s stated purpose.

Also keep in mind a government act which “impinges upon a fundamental right explicitly or implicitly secured by the Constitution is presumptively unconstitutional.” See: Harris v. McRae United States Supreme Court (1980) Also see City of Mobile v. Bolden, 466 U.S. 55, 76, 100 S.Ct. 1490, 64 L.Ed.2d 47 (1980)

Additionally, “The mere chilling of a Constitutional right by a penalty on its exercise is patently unconstitutional.” Shapiro v. Thompson, 394 U.S. 618

JWK

"If the Constitution was ratified under the belief, sedulously propagated on all sides that such protection was afforded, would it not now be a fraud upon the whole people to give a different construction to its powers?"___ Justice Story

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No Godwin’s Law

I am not making stuff up.

I just don’t believe them when the religious conviction is HEK-293 fetal cells for the testing of a vaccine when the exact same thing is true for Advil.

The same is true for Aspirin.

How about Ivermectin? Is there a religious conviction on that? That was tested on the same fetal cell line as the vaccine.

If they were consistent… then fine.

But they really aren’t.

Yes. You are making stuff up. You asserted “we will have to get rid of every single vaccine mandate ever.”.

The truth is, as I pointed out to you and you ignored . . . .We only need to apply the protections of “strict scrutiny” !

JWK

It is absolutely shameful that those in our mainstream media and Hollywood crowd, having achieved fame, fortune and great success under a free market, free enterprise system, now work to destroy that system and impose a notoriously evil, Cuban style government, on America’s future generations.

No… I didn’t say that.

I said that if the religious conviction against using medicines tested with HEK-293 fetal cell lines then that religious conviction would have to apply to almost all of modern medicine.

Other medications tested on the same fetal cell line. Maalox. Pepto Bismol, Hydroxychloroquine, Albuterol, Lidocaine.

It is quite a list.

You specificallywrote:

"Then we will have to get rid of every single vaccine mandate ever.

Say hello again to completely preventable diseases."

That is not true. Our judicial system needs to apply the protection of strict scrutiny to specific mandates.

JWK

Oh yeah… if we were to apply the Nuremburg codes to vaccine mandates like some claim that we should to Covid vaccines then we would have to get rid of all vaccine mandates.

Do that… say hello to measles again. Say hello to pertussis. Say hello to a ton of preventable diseases that we don’t have around anymore.

And, as I previously pointed out to your above assertion, if instead we simply applied our judicial system’s protection of strict scrutiny to specific mandates, we wouldn’t have to say “hello again to completely preventable diseases.” Do you agree?

JWK

The Democrat Party Leadership, once an advocate for hard working American citizens and their families, is now their worst nightmare.

I one mandate is unjust… then why not all mandates?

If a vaccine for Covid cannot be mandated, then how can a vaccine for Mumps be required?

Precisely.

Is a vaccine for mumps required?

I know it may be required to get into a particular school, but I havent heard of anyone threatening people with job loss or failure to pay for medical insurance if someone doesnt have their vaccine for it, or even use a mumps vaccine as a job requirement. But, perhaps I am wrong and all those things are required.

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A mandate is a mandate.

What makes a mandate for a child different than a mandate for an adult?

What, precisely, does your post have to do with “. . . if instead we simply applied our judicial system’s protection of strict scrutiny to specific mandates, we wouldn’t have to say “hello again to completely preventable diseases.” Do you agree?” . . . and is what was being discussed?

JWK

Get rid of all vaccine mandates… we have a return of a lot of preventable disease.

Just as I expected! You are not going to get an answer which actually addresses your post. The object seems to be bait and switch, obfuscate, deflect, and disrupt any productive discussion regarding the NYC one-size-fits-all approach to the Covid outbreak.

JWK
The Democrat Party Leadership, once an advocate for hard working American citizens and their families, is now their worst nightmare.