Israel at War - Hamas Attacks

That’s true. But one could argue it sort of tied our hands in terms of supporting him.

Imagine had we kept supporting Diap after that sort of display. The man was mass murdering Buddists. The majority of the South Vietnamese population’s religion. The very people we were trying to convince to our side.

I’d say he was pretty damn brave to do that on camera in the middle of the largest city of the country.

Yes, the Israeli stated policy is to wipe out Hamas, which means killing or expelling every man, woman and child in Gaza. That is what Prime Minister Netanyahu has been saying. That is what President Herzog has said as well:

“It is an entire nation out there that is responsible,” Herzog said at a press conference on Friday. “It is not true this rhetoric about civilians not being aware, not involved. It’s absolutely not true. They could have risen up. They could have fought against that evil regime which took over Gaza in a coup d’etat.”

Of course, Israel claims to be the only democracy in the Middle East, while the last election in Gaza was in 2006. If every person is responsible for authoritarian Hamas in Gaza, then what would that mean for the entire population in the democracy of Israel?

Is every Israeli responsible for the deaths of thousands of civilians killed by the IDF?

What does it say about every American being complicit in the deaths as well?

Change a few scripture references, and Ossama Bin Laden would fit right into the Israeli government.

There were a great many reasons to dump Diap. If it had only been the Buddists, he probably would have survived much longer.

Only in the fantasy world you inhabit is that what it means.

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I mean hell there’s probably five Christians left in Gaza anyway.

And in the statements from top officials in the Israeli government.

Reading is fundamental!

Nonsense

So you’re saying that coincidence is cause? :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

Comprehension of what one is reading is most important. You seem to be somewhat lacking in that area, preferring instead to engage in wild fits of fantasy. :wink:

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It also helps to understand the source for information.

In December, The New York Times a published sensational front-page story about alleged sexual attacks on October 7. Family members of the alleged victims have come forward to debunk some the most extreme charges, and much of the alleged evidence does not stand up to even basic scrutiny.

It turns out that a lead author of the story, Anat Schwartz, has no journalist experience. Instead she is an Israeli film maker who has served with Israeli military intelligence and has a history of supporting violent anti-Palestinian rhetoric. The co-author is her nephew.

Why is the New York Times running such obvious propaganda as a front-page news story?

Independent researchers scrutinized the online record, and raised serious questions about Schwartz. First, she has apparently never been a reporter but is actually a filmmaker, who the Times suddenly hired in October. You would expect the paper to look for someone with actual journalistic experience, especially for a story as sensitive as this one, written during the fog of war. Surely the paper had enough of its own correspondents on staff who could have been assigned to it.

Next, the researchers found that Schwartz had not hidden her strong feelings online. There are screenshots of her “liking” certain posts that repeated the “40 beheaded baby” hoax, and that endorsed another hysterical post that urged the Israeli army to “turn Gaza into a slaughterhouse,” and called Palestinians “human animals.”

https://mondoweiss.net/2024/02/extraordinary-charges-of-bias-emerge-against-nytimes-reporter-anat-schwartz/

Yep! Yours lean heavily in the pro-Hamas direction.

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:rofl:

Any chance of a similar deep dive on those reporting casualties from the Hamas-run health ministry that alleges a “genocide” is taking place ?

Or are we simply going to take their reported civilian casualty numbers as the holy grail? They’re not Jewish so they must be telling the truth , eh ? :wink:

Yes, we should continue to subsidize the slaughter while we quibble about whether the IDF has killed “only” 10,000+ civilians as Israel admitted in January, or if the real number is 32,220 as recently estimated by Euro-Med.


“I don’t think the fact that 10,000 civilians (were killed)… is positive in any way,” Ravid told CNN’s Kaitlan Collins, adding that, “Israel was facing a dilemma in the last 24 hours” with regards to increasing pressure from the United States and its call for more humanitarian aid to enter Gaza.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/05/middleeast/israel-hamas-military-civilian-ratio-killed-intl-hnk/index.html

As wars go, that is a low ratio. And it’s considerably lower than the ratio of civilians to soldiers killed in Israel on Oct 7.

766 civilians and 373 members of the Israeli security forces died on October 7.

That is a very close to a 2:1 ratio that Israel claims it is achieving in Gaza. Your point?

Off duty and post active-duty members of security forces are indistinguishable from civilians. Note: Military service is mandatory for Israelis … men and women. It’s hard to fund anyone between the ages of 20 and 40 who has not served and/or is in the reserves.

I assume that Israel applies similar standard to determine “Hamas fighters”. Any male of reasonable fighting age is assumed to be a Hamas combatant.

The Euro-Med data shows 35,096 Palestinians have died, and 32,220 of those were civilians. The ratio of civilian to combatant deaths is over 10:1 based on these figures.

The party line has been that the casualties on October 7 were the result of terrorist attack against civilians, while casualties in the Gaza invasion are collateral damage from military operations. Clearly actual statistics do not support that narrative.

Again - have you done a deep dive as to who is reporting these numbers and what their journalistic credentials are or is that kind of scrutiny reserved for Jews only ?

Also curious if you showed the same humanitarian care about the civilian toll of fighting Islamic State in Mosul , also subsidized by your tax dollars - or this kind of obviously purely benevolent concern reserved for only instances when the Jewish state defends itself ?

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The CNN figures in the link are consistent with statements by Israeli officials.

I agree that the casualties in Mosul were horrendous. Do you think that the US has clean hands in Iraq?

The US sent weapons and aid to Sadaam Hussein to support his invasion of Iran back in the 1980s. We later invaded Iraq in 1991, created starvation as a result of severe sanctions, and have occupied portions the country more less continuously since the 2003 invasion and overthrow of the Hussein regime.

We funded Sunni rebels in Syria in an attempt to overthrow the Syrian government. The same people later formed ISIS, which we continue to use as the pretext for continued occupation in Iraq and Syria.

Would the development of ISIS and the battle in Mosul have happened without the actions of the US?

I don’t think he hates Jews, he hates the United States.