Israel at War - Hamas Attacks

[Bill.in.PA]

I love the US.

I hate to see us implementing such destructive and counterproductive policies overseas.

[W_and_C]

@Bill.in.PA

The CNN figures in the link are consistent with statements by Israeli officials.

I agree that the casualties in Mosul were horrendous. Do you think that the US has clean hands in Iraq?

The US sent weapons and aid to Sadaam Hussein to support his invasion of Iran back in the 1980s. We later invaded Iraq in 1991, created starvation as a result of severe sanctions, and have occupied portions the country more less continuously since the 2003 invasion and overthrow of the Hussein regime.

We funded Sunni rebels in Syria in an attempt to overthrow the Syrian government. The same people later formed ISIS, which we continue to use as the pretext for continued occupation in Iraq and Syria.

Would the development of ISIS and the battle in Mosul have happened without the actions of the US?

None of this is answering my question. Did you show the same degree about those reported civilian casualties or not while it was happening? Or for that matter, when Palestinians are killed by their own government ? or by Syrian government ? Much of that is again subsidized by the US taxpayer.

I could also go ahead and list the Syrian civil war where casualty count since 2011 has exceeded the total number in the entirety of Israeli-Palestinian conflict since 1947, or real life actual genocides going on in Ethiopia in Tigray, Congo or Sudan.

I’d go ahead and guess that 99.99 % of the “Free Palestine” crowd could not give a single ■■■■ about Palestinians or their suffering.

[W_and_C]

@Oryx

I don’t think he hates Jews, he hates the United States.

I disagree. It’s the horseshow theory where the far left and far (or alt) right meet each other to stick it to one particular minority.

[Oryx]

I think we’re both right.

[W_and_C]

@Oryx

I think we’re both right.

Wouldn’t be the first time

[Bill.in.PA]

My first concern is the needless death that the US is directly responsible for either by direct military action or by funding to governments and groups.

The US should work for its enlightened self-interest, which means looking for peaceful outcomes and win-win solutions that benefit the US.

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not our fight. This is tribal warfare.

[Samm]

@Bill.in.PA

I assume that Israel applies similar standard to determine “Hamas fighters”. Any male of reasonable fighting age is assumed to be a Hamas combatant.

The Euro-Med data shows 35,096 Palestinians have died, and 32,220 of those were civilians. The ratio of civilian to combatant deaths is over 10:1 based on these figures.

The party line has been that the casualties on October 7 were the result of terrorist attack against civilians, while casualties in the Gaza invasion are collateral damage from military operations. Clearly actual statistics do not support that narrative.

Quit making ■■■■ up.

[Ben_Natuf]

Did Putin tell you to say that?

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@Bill.in.PA

My first concern is the needless death that the US is directly responsible for either by direct military action or by funding to governments and groups.

Hamas alone is responsible for the death and destruction in Gaza.

[peek-a-boo]

@Bill.in.PA

The US should work for its enlightened self-interest, which means looking for peaceful outcomes and win-win solutions that benefit the US.

There is no win-win solution to the Palestinian problem as long as they refuse to acknowledge Israel’s right to exist.

[peek-a-boo]

@Bill.in.PA

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not our fight. This is tribal warfare.

You keep repeating the same nonsense. Israel is fighting for their very survival. The US has a vested interest in a strong Israeli presence in the Middle East.

[Bill.in.PA]

Israel is fighting for more billions with no strings attached from US taxpayers. The US has spent trillions on wars in the Middle East over several decades. The wars have killed millions, and the targeted nations are all on Netanyahu’s hit list.

The US has been acting as Israel’s security service. The beneficiaries are in Israel and in the US military-industrial complex. American taxpayers and the nations ravaged by war are the big losers.

Israel continues to escalate conflicts in a desperate attempt to restore its status as the feared neighborhood bully. A full-scale war in Lebanon could be catastrophic for Israel, and multiple simultaneous conflicts could overwhelm the US military response.

US Seeks To Cap Middle East Violence: In This, Iran Is (A Kind Of) ‘Ally’ – OpEd

[SpadeMarlowe]

@Camp

Meanwhile in Minnesota.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/01/30/republicans-call-for-ilhan-omar-to-resign-in-disgrace-over-appalling-somalia-first-speech/

Keeping garbage like her and a few more in the People’s House ought to be a crime.

[SpadeMarlowe]

@gooddad409

@Camp

Meanwhile in Minnesota.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/01/30/republicans-call-for-ilhan-omar-to-resign-in-disgrace-over-appalling-somalia-first-speech/

Should be kicked out or maybe even deported over that speech.

Throw the garbage out.

[SpadeMarlowe]

@thinkingman

cnn will hound her to death over such comments, because they hold such statements accountable that’s their job like they were taught by lefty professors for 4-6 years in drunk-fest “journalism” college

wait till jimmy cryin’ kiimmel and joy behar hears…

I doubt it…nothing to see here, move on…is what they will say.

[Samm]

@Bill.in.PA

Israel is fighting for more billions with no strings attached from US taxpayers. The US has spent trillions on wars in the Middle East over several decades. The wars have killed millions, and the targeted nations are all on Netanyahu’s hit list.

Ah … So that’s why the CIA blew up the WTC and Pentagon and fabricated the elaborate tale of Islamic terrorists in airplanes … to create an excuse for going after Israel’s enemies.

[WuWei]

The difference is the targeting. Your attempt at moral equivalence rings hollow.

When you walk over to a hornet’s nest and whack it with a stick, you don’t get to cry about getting stung, even if they sting your woman and kids.

The US should not be funding either side, but not because they are morally equivalent.

[gooddad409]

@WuWei

The difference is the targeting. Your attempt at moral equivalence rings hollow.

When you walk over to a hornet’s nest and whack it with a stick, you don’t get to cry about getting stung, even if they sting your woman and kids.

The US should not be funding either side, but not because they are morally equivalent.

Exactly!

[gooddad409]

@SpadeMarlowe

@gooddad409

@Camp

Meanwhile in Minnesota.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/01/30/republicans-call-for-ilhan-omar-to-resign-in-disgrace-over-appalling-somalia-first-speech/

Should be kicked out or maybe even deported over that speech.

Throw the garbage out.

Take out the trash.

[peek-a-boo]

@Bill.in.PA

The US has been acting as Israel’s security service.

No, they haven’t.