Is the mainstream media reporting that Robert Mueller is himself under four separate criminal investigations?

CaughtInTheMiddle · January 27, 2019, 2:40pm

H_Arendt:

Paul_Thomson:

I’m looking for intelligent discussion of the material presented re Mueller in the LaRouchepac article and the Josh Bernstein video. Well-poisoning, guilt by association and other logical fallacies do not intelligent discussion make.

Fair request. I watched twenty minutes of Bernstein over a cup of coffee this morning.

His first “investigation” is a counter-suit filed by Jerome Corsi. This is a standard interfering tactic by someone under investigation. The emails in the Stone indictment make clear the extent of Corsi’s culpability

The second investigation is a complaint by Darren Huff. Here’s the FBI’s take

https://www.fbi.gov/audio-repository/news-podcasts-gotcha-militia-extremist-sentenced.mp3/view

"I’m Mollie Halpern of the FBI, and this is Gotcha.

Darren Huff, of Georgia, and his followers wanted to indict President Barack Obama and many other federal, state, and local officials for treason. When a Tennessee County grand jury refused them, they wrote up their own bogus arrest warrants. Case Agent Scott Johnson, of the Knoxville FBI Division, says Huff armed himself with a handgun, an AK-47, hundreds of rounds of ammunition, and headed for the courthouse.

Scott Johnson: He thought he was going to ride in from out of town with the guns on his hips and right all the injustices.

Halpern: When Huff and others arrived, they found the FBI and its law enforcement partners waiting for them. Huff was sentenced to four years in prison for transporting firearms across state lines with the intent to cause a civil disorder. It was the first time this violation was successfully prosecuted.

Johnson: This case is monumental to the FBI because it will set precedent for case law in future domestic terrorism cases throughout the United States.

Halpern: This has been the FBI’s closed case of the week.

Its not clear what involvement Robert Mueller as head of the FBI had in this

The third investigation is the really embarrassing one for Mr. Bernstein. Its the lawsuit filed (not an investigation) by an unnamed party to quash Mueller’s subpoena. This has now gone to the Supreme Court and while it largely has been kept secret, we know the suit was brought by a state controlled business, probably Russian, possibly Chinese. The greatest probability is its a Russian bank trying to conceal its operations (with Trump? perhaps?). So we see the extent of Bernstein’s patriotism here – standing with state controlled foreign enterprises trying to avoid criminal exposure

The fourth “investigation” is a series of lawsuits – none described – against organizations Mueller has led, or Mueller himself. Any large organization attracts such lawsuits in our overly litigious society. Traditionally conservatives have argued for tort reform to reduce such lawsuits. Here Mr. Bernstein makes an alliance of convenience with lawyers, but since no suit is described in enough detail to determine whether it has any merits.

Case #3 is the clearest example of how foolish this all is.

And by the way, Bernstein mispronounces Mueller’s name throughout – which is just childish. Any “intelligent” discussion would not indulge in that.

And that’s an intelligent description of Mr. Bernstein’s fantasy tape.

Damn. I’m not sure I’ve seen a beatdown that savage here before.

mollyBrown · January 27, 2019, 2:43pm

I watched the link on the op. It is a film version of the old tabloid bat boy articles. It is rubbish.

Roxiebelle · January 27, 2019, 3:07pm

The fact that he has been “on the case” for two freaking years and still can’t close the investigation should give pause for thought that something is amiss, with indictments flying like confetti and yet President Trump is still in the Oval office!

How can this be if this guy is the epitome of patriotism, intelligence, ethic’s and morality. That’s because he’s not any of those, he is a leftist political cretin working for the deep state to take down President Trump.

He is doing more to harm the country then Putin could ever dream of doing, talk about a Russian operative… its Mueller!

margaretms2 · January 27, 2019, 3:07pm

The other part of this–and it’s obvious in every single tract, white paper, press release, etc. released from Larouche PAC that Mueller (or Obama, or George W. Bush) are always, always, always just place holders in the same dumb mythic story over and over again about Lyndon Larouche’s greatness, prescience, influence, and persecuction. Afer all, he is, according to that writer, a "world-historical genius in the mold of Gottfried Leibniz.” They simply find a connection and hitch the Larouche wagon to whatever’s going on at the time:

The chosen hitman to destroy the Trump presidency, Robert Mueller, cut his teeth as the head of the “Get LaRouche Task Force” in the 1980s, which was intended to destroy the movement founded by Lyndon LaRouche.

Increasing calls for Mueller’s ouster are now appearing in mainstream media — the stench is too strong to continue the cover up.

(Narrator voice: No they aren’t)

There is no longer any justification for tolerating the economic and cultural decay in the West. The ideas presented over the past fifty years by Lyndon LaRouche are now being implemented, taking on a physical force in the world. This is our time.

https://larouchepac.com/20171207/muellers-coup-plotters-panic-their-own-crimes-stand-exposed

BTW: The article I am quoting is from . . . 2017.

Camp · January 27, 2019, 3:15pm

Very well stated.

The media circus would offend a serious investigator.

NOT this one.

H_Arendt · January 27, 2019, 3:15pm

CaughtInTheMiddle:

H_Arendt:

Paul_Thomson:

I’m looking for intelligent discussion of the material presented re Mueller in the LaRouchepac article and the Josh Bernstein video. Well-poisoning, guilt by association and other logical fallacies do not intelligent discussion make.

Fair request. I watched twenty minutes of Bernstein over a cup of coffee this morning.

His first “investigation” is a counter-suit filed by Jerome Corsi. This is a standard interfering tactic by someone under investigation. The emails in the Stone indictment make clear the extent of Corsi’s culpability

The second investigation is a complaint by Darren Huff. Here’s the FBI’s take

https://www.fbi.gov/audio-repository/news-podcasts-gotcha-militia-extremist-sentenced.mp3/view

"I’m Mollie Halpern of the FBI, and this is Gotcha.

Darren Huff, of Georgia, and his followers wanted to indict President Barack Obama and many other federal, state, and local officials for treason. When a Tennessee County grand jury refused them, they wrote up their own bogus arrest warrants. Case Agent Scott Johnson, of the Knoxville FBI Division, says Huff armed himself with a handgun, an AK-47, hundreds of rounds of ammunition, and headed for the courthouse.

Scott Johnson: He thought he was going to ride in from out of town with the guns on his hips and right all the injustices.

Halpern: When Huff and others arrived, they found the FBI and its law enforcement partners waiting for them. Huff was sentenced to four years in prison for transporting firearms across state lines with the intent to cause a civil disorder. It was the first time this violation was successfully prosecuted.

Johnson: This case is monumental to the FBI because it will set precedent for case law in future domestic terrorism cases throughout the United States.

Halpern: This has been the FBI’s closed case of the week.

Its not clear what involvement Robert Mueller as head of the FBI had in this

The third investigation is the really embarrassing one for Mr. Bernstein. Its the lawsuit filed (not an investigation) by an unnamed party to quash Mueller’s subpoena. This has now gone to the Supreme Court and while it largely has been kept secret, we know the suit was brought by a state controlled business, probably Russian, possibly Chinese. The greatest probability is its a Russian bank trying to conceal its operations (with Trump? perhaps?). So we see the extent of Bernstein’s patriotism here – standing with state controlled foreign enterprises trying to avoid criminal exposure

The fourth “investigation” is a series of lawsuits – none described – against organizations Mueller has led, or Mueller himself. Any large organization attracts such lawsuits in our overly litigious society. Traditionally conservatives have argued for tort reform to reduce such lawsuits. Here Mr. Bernstein makes an alliance of convenience with lawyers, but since no suit is described in enough detail to determine whether it has any merits.

Case #3 is the clearest example of how foolish this all is.

And by the way, Bernstein mispronounces Mueller’s name throughout – which is just childish. Any “intelligent” discussion would not indulge in that.

And that’s an intelligent description of Mr. Bernstein’s fantasy tape.

Damn. I’m not sure I’ve seen a beatdown that savage here before.

Savage? This was a minimal review of the material presented. (I had to look up the Huff case on line because I had never heard of it.) This was a trivial dismissal of a lightweight set of propositions. Savage is a whole other ballgame.

mollyBrown · January 27, 2019, 3:15pm

Fun fact. It hasn’t been two years. It’s been 20 months.

H_Arendt · January 27, 2019, 3:26pm

The argument that Mueller’s investigation is taking too long has no substance at all.

I don’t recall anyone complaining while Kenneth Starr took six years(!) as the Special Counsel in the Clinton Whitewater investigation. And in twenty months, Mueller has produced substantially more indictments, convictions and guilty pleas than Starr produced in six years. And compare the substance of the Mueller investigation – a criminal conspiracy with a foreign power to rig a Presidential election – with Starr’s – an fraudulent real estate transaction in Arkansas that morphed into an investigation into the President lying under oath about an affair. In the long term, which one mattered more.

So then you claim Mueller is a Russian operative;

Did Robert Mueller reverse election related sanctions on Oleg Derispaska? No, that was Trump.
Has Robert Mueller systematically driven from the FBI several of the most prolific and successful agents in the FBI’s Counterintelligence (Russia) branch. No, that was Trump.
Did Robert Mueller precipitously announce a US withdrawal from Syria in line with Putin’s regional aims? No, that was Trump.
Did Robert Muller, in Helsinki, announce he believed Vladimir Putin and GRU’s assessment of Russian interference in the 2016 election over the assessment of US intelligence. No, that was Trump.
Did Robert Mueller repeatedly threaten to upend NATO, an act that would achieve one of Putin’s greatest foreign policy ambitions. No, that was Trump.
Did Robert Mueller, start a trade war with China, which led China to with all its US soy bean purchases to Russia, aiding the Russian economy while hurting US farmers. No, that was Trump.
Did Robert Mueller lie repeatedly about the extent to which his staff has been in contact with Russian officials and oligarchs. No, that was Trump.

Can you provide any argument against Mueller that isn’t as easy to pop as a child’s balloon?

margaretms2 · January 27, 2019, 3:36pm

I gotta say: I’ve always been ho-hum blase about this site. People talk about the old days, or whatever, and I think, Nah, there have always been trolls, cranks, loons, broken and anti-social people, and general stupidity.

But now, no. People of all political stripes used to be embarrassed to cite Larouche stuff or other Alex Jones-level stuff here. The Right and the GOP have been a toxic mess for years, but there’s definitely something fundamentally different now, and it shows up here.

DOLOOP · January 27, 2019, 3:38pm

Is this thread flagged?

Please don’t lock it or delete it.

This stuff is instructive. Valuable, even, to our understanding of the support for Trump.

margaretms2 · January 27, 2019, 3:40pm

A good primary source for future historians.

Bodecea · January 27, 2019, 3:43pm

Larouche? That nut is still around?

LucyLou · January 27, 2019, 3:49pm

H_Arendt:

Roxiebelle:

The fact that he has been “on the case” for two freaking years and still can’t close the investigation should give pause for thought that something is amiss, with indictments flying like confetti and yet President Trump is still in the Oval office!

How can this be if this guy is the epitome of patriotism, intelligence, ethic’s and morality. That’s because he’s not any of those, he is a leftist political cretin working for the deep state to take down President Trump.

He is doing more to harm the country then Putin could ever dream of doing, talk about a Russian operative… its Mueller!

The argument that Mueller’s investigation is taking too long has no substance at all.

I don’t recall anyone complaining while Kenneth Starr took six years(!) as the Special Counsel in the Clinton Whitewater investigation. And in twenty months, Mueller has produced substantially more indictments, convictions and guilty pleas than Starr produced in six years. And compare the substance of the Mueller investigation – a criminal conspiracy with a foreign power to rig a Presidential election – with Starr’s – an fraudulent real estate transaction in Arkansas that morphed into an investigation into the President lying under oath about an affair. In the long term, which one mattered more.

So then you claim Mueller is a Russian operative;

Did Robert Mueller reverse election related sanctions on Oleg Derispaska? No, that was Trump.
Has Robert Mueller systematically driven from the FBI several of the most prolific and successful agents in the FBI’s Counterintelligence (Russia) branch. No, that was Trump.
Did Robert Mueller precipitously announce a US withdrawal from Syria in line with Putin’s regional aims? No, that was Trump.
Did Robert Muller, in Helsinki, announce he believed Vladimir Putin and GRU’s assessment of Russian interference in the 2016 election over the assessment of US intelligence. No, that was Trump.
Did Robert Mueller repeatedly threaten to upend NATO, an act that would achieve one of Putin’s greatest foreign policy ambitions. No, that was Trump.
Did Robert Mueller, start a trade war with China, which led China to with all its US soy bean purchases to Russia, aiding the Russian economy while hurting US farmers. No, that was Trump.
Did Robert Mueller lie repeatedly about the extent to which his staff has been in contact with Russian officials and oligarchs. No, that was Trump.

Can you provide any argument against Mueller that isn’t as easy to pop as a child’s balloon?

Damn.

Eclipze · January 27, 2019, 3:50pm

LucyLou:

H_Arendt:

Roxiebelle:

The fact that he has been “on the case” for two freaking years and still can’t close the investigation should give pause for thought that something is amiss, with indictments flying like confetti and yet President Trump is still in the Oval office!

How can this be if this guy is the epitome of patriotism, intelligence, ethic’s and morality. That’s because he’s not any of those, he is a leftist political cretin working for the deep state to take down President Trump.

He is doing more to harm the country then Putin could ever dream of doing, talk about a Russian operative… its Mueller!

The argument that Mueller’s investigation is taking too long has no substance at all.

I don’t recall anyone complaining while Kenneth Starr took six years(!) as the Special Counsel in the Clinton Whitewater investigation. And in twenty months, Mueller has produced substantially more indictments, convictions and guilty pleas than Starr produced in six years. And compare the substance of the Mueller investigation – a criminal conspiracy with a foreign power to rig a Presidential election – with Starr’s – an fraudulent real estate transaction in Arkansas that morphed into an investigation into the President lying under oath about an affair. In the long term, which one mattered more.

So then you claim Mueller is a Russian operative;

Did Robert Mueller reverse election related sanctions on Oleg Derispaska? No, that was Trump.
Has Robert Mueller systematically driven from the FBI several of the most prolific and successful agents in the FBI’s Counterintelligence (Russia) branch. No, that was Trump.
Did Robert Mueller precipitously announce a US withdrawal from Syria in line with Putin’s regional aims? No, that was Trump.
Did Robert Muller, in Helsinki, announce he believed Vladimir Putin and GRU’s assessment of Russian interference in the 2016 election over the assessment of US intelligence. No, that was Trump.
Did Robert Mueller repeatedly threaten to upend NATO, an act that would achieve one of Putin’s greatest foreign policy ambitions. No, that was Trump.
Did Robert Mueller, start a trade war with China, which led China to with all its US soy bean purchases to Russia, aiding the Russian economy while hurting US farmers. No, that was Trump.
Did Robert Mueller lie repeatedly about the extent to which his staff has been in contact with Russian officials and oligarchs. No, that was Trump.

Can you provide any argument against Mueller that isn’t as easy to pop as a child’s balloon?

Damn.

He’s just getting warmed up.

CaughtInTheMiddle · January 27, 2019, 3:53pm

I’m with @margaretms2 on this. The crazy and bottom of the barrel sources that Trump supporters are using to attack a Republican/vet like Mueller is further than I thought it would go. It’s desperation.

madasheck · January 27, 2019, 3:57pm

H_Arendt:

Roxiebelle:

The fact that he has been “on the case” for two freaking years and still can’t close the investigation should give pause for thought that something is amiss, with indictments flying like confetti and yet President Trump is still in the Oval office!

How can this be if this guy is the epitome of patriotism, intelligence, ethic’s and morality. That’s because he’s not any of those, he is a leftist political cretin working for the deep state to take down President Trump.

He is doing more to harm the country then Putin could ever dream of doing, talk about a Russian operative… its Mueller!

The argument that Mueller’s investigation is taking too long has no substance at all.

I don’t recall anyone complaining while Kenneth Starr took six years(!) as the Special Counsel in the Clinton Whitewater investigation. And in twenty months, Mueller has produced substantially more indictments, convictions and guilty pleas than Starr produced in six years. And compare the substance of the Mueller investigation – a criminal conspiracy with a foreign power to rig a Presidential election – with Starr’s – an fraudulent real estate transaction in Arkansas that morphed into an investigation into the President lying under oath about an affair. In the long term, which one mattered more.

So then you claim Mueller is a Russian operative;

Did Robert Mueller reverse election related sanctions on Oleg Derispaska? No, that was Trump.
Has Robert Mueller systematically driven from the FBI several of the most prolific and successful agents in the FBI’s Counterintelligence (Russia) branch. No, that was Trump.
Did Robert Mueller precipitously announce a US withdrawal from Syria in line with Putin’s regional aims? No, that was Trump.
Did Robert Muller, in Helsinki, announce he believed Vladimir Putin and GRU’s assessment of Russian interference in the 2016 election over the assessment of US intelligence. No, that was Trump.
Did Robert Mueller repeatedly threaten to upend NATO, an act that would achieve one of Putin’s greatest foreign policy ambitions. No, that was Trump.
Did Robert Mueller, start a trade war with China, which led China to with all its US soy bean purchases to Russia, aiding the Russian economy while hurting US farmers. No, that was Trump.
Did Robert Mueller lie repeatedly about the extent to which his staff has been in contact with Russian officials and oligarchs. No, that was Trump.

Can you provide any argument against Mueller that isn’t as easy to pop as a child’s balloon?

Can you please run for office? Please. We need people like you.

Bodecea · January 27, 2019, 4:09pm

LaRouche was the precurser to Alex Jones.

hwyflier · January 27, 2019, 4:42pm

Larouche pac?

This is embarrassing.

mollyBrown · January 27, 2019, 4:59pm

We used to debate policy. Now we are spending lots of time debating reality.

Forcefield · January 27, 2019, 5:03pm

Sean Hannity is not a reporter or a news organization.lol indeed.