Is it time for Biden to "man up" and commit to an audit of the election?

[RTchoke]

@JayJay

But see, every accusation, no matter what evidence or lack of evidence is behind it, must be given every indulgence.

This is the logic.

Trump yells “FRAUD!”

He doesn’t have to prove this accusation true…we have to prove it false by having a full-scale audit of the election.

Guilty until proven innocent is the new mantra from some Trump supporters, it seems.

The accusation is all that’s needed.

The irony.

[JayJay]

@zantax

@JayJay

Yep…our Republic is doomed.

According to this wisdom, a full scale audit of an election is required any time anyone cries “FRAUD” for any reason whatsoever.

We must indulge every person who runs a race and loses, no matter whether their claims have merit or not.

Merely making the accusation means we must prove the accusation false.

Ask yourself what the possible outcomes of not doing it may be. Now I know some liberals like to fantasize about cons rising up or trying secede only to be immediately crushed by the all mighty fed. But that isn’t how that would go. It would be long and bloody on both sides, destructive of existing infrastructure and collapse the economy. Blame the cost on Trump and Republicans if you like. But put out the fire before it’s out of control.

Ask yourself the outcome of adopting a guilty until proven innocent mantra.

You don’t get to cause the problem, and then demand someone else clean it up for you.

Trump either proves his accusations have merit or he doesn’t.

The burden is on HIM, not the state election boards.

[zantax]

@JayJay

But see, every accusation, no matter what evidence or lack of evidence is behind it, must be given every indulgence.

This is the logic.

Trump yells “FRAUD!”

He doesn’t have to prove this accusation true…we have to prove it false by having a full-scale audit of the election.

Guilty until proven innocent is the new mantra from some Trump supporters, it seems.

The accusation is all that’s needed.

Kind of a special circumstance here, like him or not, he is the President and his word obviously carries a lot of weight with millions of people.

[Rodeo]

@tnt

The only reason people are doubting the election is Trump the GOP and RW media.

These are baseless claims.

In 2016 Trump won and then libs spent four years trying to overturn the results of a legitimate election…with a collection of blatant lies and millions of dollars of taxpayer money.

Don’t give me this “it’s all Trump’s fault” garbage.

[zantax]

@JayJay

@zantax

@JayJay

Yep…our Republic is doomed.

According to this wisdom, a full scale audit of an election is required any time anyone cries “FRAUD” for any reason whatsoever.

We must indulge every person who runs a race and loses, no matter whether their claims have merit or not.

Merely making the accusation means we must prove the accusation false.

Ask yourself what the possible outcomes of not doing it may be. Now I know some liberals like to fantasize about cons rising up or trying secede only to be immediately crushed by the all mighty fed. But that isn’t how that would go. It would be long and bloody on both sides, destructive of existing infrastructure and collapse the economy. Blame the cost on Trump and Republicans if you like. But put out the fire before it’s out of control.

Ask yourself the outcome of adopting a guilty until proven innocent mantra.

Guilty? Who does an audit put on trial?

[Impenitent]

haven’t heard accusations of voter fraud before…

russia russia russia

but that’s different

[TommyLucchese]

Trump is 0-12 in court because this is so necessary and obvious lol.

[zantax]

@TommyLucchese

Trump is 0-12 in court because this is so necessary and obvious lol.

Not saying it is necessary because there was fraud, saying it is necessary because millions of Americans no longer think the election was fair. To address that lack of trust. Assign blame for that lack of trust as you will.

[Piper]

@Bill.in.PA

The evidence of massive fraud and a compromised election system will not go away.

The ability to swing elections with fraud is a cancer on the body politic. It will destroy the nation if it is not addressed immediately.

This is the hill to die on to save the country.

Have you guys seen this?

Notice the first page, the first 100+ people have the same birth date. 1-1-1800

Click on “date of birth” and it goes back to the first page.

https://data.pa.gov/Government-Efficiency-Citizen-Engagement/2020-General-Election-Mail-Ballot-Requests-Departm/mcba-yywm/data

[TommyLucchese]

@zantax

Not saying it is necessary because there was fraud, saying it is necessary because millions of Americans no longer think the election was fair. To address that lack of trust. Assign blame for that lack of trust as you will.

You know what? Go ahead. Let’s have them revolt because they don’t get an investigation into fake fraud. I don’t believe conservatives have the guts to do it anyway. That would require inconveniencing themselves from the benefits of modern society.

[westaussie]

As a matter of interests have there be any claims of fraud in the House of Reps districts that the Republicans flipped in the 2020 elections?

[zantax]

@TommyLucchese

@zantax

Not saying it is necessary because there was fraud, saying it is necessary because millions of Americans no longer think the election was fair. To address that lack of trust. Assign blame for that lack of trust as you will.

You know what? Go ahead. Let’s have them revolt because they don’t get an investigation into fake fraud. I don’t believe conservatives have the guts to do it anyway.

As I believe I pointed out, they don’t have to revolt to bring the country down around your ears. But if they did, you and I will suffer greatly along with everyone else. Rather spend a few bucks on an audit myself.

[TommyLucchese]

@zantax

As I believe I pointed out, they don’t have to revolt to bring the country down around your ears. But if they did, you personally will suffer greatly along with everyone else.

Yeah I’m super terrified. The people who couldn’t go a month without their Starbucks lattes and speedboats. Who protested the lockdowns for like two months before they got bored and stopped and returned to complaining incessantly on the internet. Will anyone save me from angry senior citizens posting tweets with Q hashtags?

It’s a joke.

[Eclipze]

Do you honestly believe an audit of all votes in all states will quell any distrust of the election by those that firmly hold that belief?

[Rodeo]

@Impenitent

haven’t heard accusations of voter fraud before…

russia russia russia

but that’s different

From 2016 thru 2020 lefties did more to destroy voter confidence in America’s elections than Putin could have ever hoped for.

Now they want us to believe “we are all about the rule of law and we would never cheat in an election”.

Would a load of horse manure.

There are multiple sworn affidavits out there alleging left wing cheating…Biden ain’t the president yet the news media doesn’t get to declare winners. The words “the Associated Press can now declare the Joe Biden has won” have absolutely no legal weight at all.

Biden might have won…but there’s a big cloud hanging over this election and it’s getting bigger.

[zantax]

@Eclipze

Do you honestly believe an audit of all votes in all states will quell any distrust of the election by those that firmly hold that belief?

As I already said, that would seem to be the problem with the idea. But would guess, if they were acceptable to Trump, they would be acceptable to his adherents. Be sweet if we could somehow couple it with a gag order saying he couldn’t disparage the results after accepting though heh.

[zantax]

@TommyLucchese

@zantax

As I believe I pointed out, they don’t have to revolt to bring the country down around your ears. But if they did, you personally will suffer greatly along with everyone else.

Yeah I’m super terrified. The people who couldn’t go a month without their Starbucks lattes and speedboats. Who protested the lockdowns for like two months before they got bored and stopped and returned to complaining incessantly on the internet. Will anyone save me from angry senior citizens posting tweets with Q hashtags?

It’s a joke.

Antifa is a joke too, but they manage to cause a lot of damage. And they are a much smaller fraction of the electorate.

[Eclipze]

Let’s play this out. What are the chances that Donald Trump accepts the results of a full audit if it shows that he lost and there was no indication of widespread fraud?

[zantax]

@Eclipze

Let’s play this out. What are the chances that Donald Trump accepts the results of a full audit if it shows that he lost and there was no indication of widespread fraud?

If he agreed he would abide by it beforehand, and then reneged, I would imagine that would lose him a lot of his current support. Or maybe not, but we would have tried.

[TommyLucchese]

@zantax

Anita is a joke but they cause a lot of damage.

Even the Proud Boys, the self styled street level shock troops for the right, had one single guy get shot up and all of a sudden they lost their taste for confrontation all across the country. I’m terrified. Really.