https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1216365680871821312?s=20
Sec of Defense didn’t see the intel on Iran. Weird, right?
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1216365680871821312?s=20
Sec of Defense didn’t see the intel on Iran. Weird, right?
Of course not
FloridaYankee: NuffSaid: Smyrna:There sure were a lot of American news castors on the left, spouting the claim by Iranians that the shooting down of the airliner was Trump’s fault. They repeated it over and over and over. Now…things are changing? I wonder if what they’re reporting will?
You have some proof?
Indeed, I haven’t heard a single such report. The blame is falling squarely on Iran.
Except for threads on here. Blaming Trump.
Blaming the airliner shootdown on Trump? Perhaps, but the claim I responded to was that newscasters all over the place were specifically blaming Trump for said shoot down. It’s not true.
FloridaYankee: NuffSaid: Smyrna:There sure were a lot of American news castors on the left, spouting the claim by Iranians that the shooting down of the airliner was Trump’s fault. They repeated it over and over and over. Now…things are changing? I wonder if what they’re reporting will?
You have some proof?
Indeed, I haven’t heard a single such report. The blame is falling squarely on Iran.
I don’t know about the news.
There were people here blaming Trump.
Okay. I was responding directly to the claim that newscasters were blaming it on Trump. I have not seen that at all.
JayJay: H_Arendt: Bosun:Iran arrested UK ambassador. Is it Trump’s fault? Iran flagrantly violated international law? is it Trump’s fault. I ■■■■■■■ doubt it. I also believe that IT IS NOT TRUMP’S FAULT ABOUT THE UKRAINIAN AIRLINER.
it is time for Iranian common people to overthrow the islamic regime’s dictators.
Those phony Clerics cannot run a country.It is time for Iranians to de-islamise Iran. back to a modern day Persian success story.
It’s time for the whole country to come out of their cocoon.
We apparently have a zealot regime of fake clerics and their warped brained radical islamic mentality.
Absolutely not Trump’s fault… the current situation probably traces back to the CIA’s move (under Eisenhower) to overthrow Prime Minister Mossadegh, who was the best hope for secular government in Iran but not pro-American enough for CIA tastes. That led to the imposition of the Shah, who was never accepted by the Iranian people, who welcomed the clerics as a local response to this foreign imposition. Rule by the clerics has been largely disastrous, of course.
So it took a lot of cooks to make the awful stew which Donald Trump is sticking his toe into.
The Mossedegh affair was a tad more complex than laid out here.
The Americans at first blamed the British for the fight over the oil companies and weren’t supportive.
Only after internal politics raised alarm that Mossedegh was going to have to curry favor with a pro-USSR faction in Iran did the US act.
All true, but the upshot of the imposition, by the US, of a foreign dictator whom the Iranian people never accepted.
But the underlying point is that Trump hardly initiated the issues in Iran on his own watch. He inherited a history stretching back to when he was a small child.
He also ■■■■■■ up any progress that had been made recently by tearing up the nuke deal.
JayJay: FloridaYankee: NuffSaid: Smyrna:There sure were a lot of American news castors on the left, spouting the claim by Iranians that the shooting down of the airliner was Trump’s fault. They repeated it over and over and over. Now…things are changing? I wonder if what they’re reporting will?
You have some proof?
Indeed, I haven’t heard a single such report. The blame is falling squarely on Iran.
I don’t know about the news.
There were people here blaming Trump.
The action of the impeached president Trump in authorising the assassination has lead directly to the downing of the aeroplane.
As an example.
Newscasters!
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1216365680871821312?s=20
Sec of Defense didn’t see the intel on Iran. Weird, right?
This is my surprised face.
Sec of Defense didn’t see the intel on Iran. Weird, right?
Esper doesn’t seem to really be in the loop on anything in the ME atm.
H_Arendt: JayJay: H_Arendt: Bosun:Iran arrested UK ambassador. Is it Trump’s fault? Iran flagrantly violated international law? is it Trump’s fault. I ■■■■■■■ doubt it. I also believe that IT IS NOT TRUMP’S FAULT ABOUT THE UKRAINIAN AIRLINER.
it is time for Iranian common people to overthrow the islamic regime’s dictators.
Those phony Clerics cannot run a country.It is time for Iranians to de-islamise Iran. back to a modern day Persian success story.
It’s time for the whole country to come out of their cocoon.
We apparently have a zealot regime of fake clerics and their warped brained radical islamic mentality.
Absolutely not Trump’s fault… the current situation probably traces back to the CIA’s move (under Eisenhower) to overthrow Prime Minister Mossadegh, who was the best hope for secular government in Iran but not pro-American enough for CIA tastes. That led to the imposition of the Shah, who was never accepted by the Iranian people, who welcomed the clerics as a local response to this foreign imposition. Rule by the clerics has been largely disastrous, of course.
So it took a lot of cooks to make the awful stew which Donald Trump is sticking his toe into.
The Mossedegh affair was a tad more complex than laid out here.
The Americans at first blamed the British for the fight over the oil companies and weren’t supportive.
Only after internal politics raised alarm that Mossedegh was going to have to curry favor with a pro-USSR faction in Iran did the US act.
All true, but the upshot of the imposition, by the US, of a foreign dictator whom the Iranian people never accepted.
But the underlying point is that Trump hardly initiated the issues in Iran on his own watch. He inherited a history stretching back to when he was a small child.
He also ■■■■■■ up any progress that had been made recently by tearing up the nuke deal.
I agree with you there, though most of the posters here will applaud any action that undoes Obama’s Presidency. Trump greatly weakened America’s position with Iran because he ignored the allies who had participated with Obama in the creation of the deal. None of them wanted to exit and so those who had been our allies found themselves siding with Iran at that point.
Munimula1:Sec of Defense didn’t see the intel on Iran. Weird, right?
Esper doesn’t seem to really be in the loop on anything in the ME atm.
He’ll get a tongue lashing later today by Donny for not propping up his false narrative.
Some of these guys still look in the mirror, but it’s more of a sidelong glance these days.
You have some proof?
I’m not going to waste my time on the repeating of the obvious truth but here’s a snippet I just found from Gutfeld and his show. One of many examples is at the 3:17 second mark from CNN.
That is not proof of what you claimed. Not even close.
You may as well tell American evangelicals it’s time to “de-Christianize.” You’ll have about as much luck there as you will telling Iranians to lose their religion.
He is trying to clean up a big mess
Nope, the nuke deal was a piece of garbage
There was nothing at or around the 3:17 mark where Trump was blamed for the airliner being shot down.
Nope, the nuke deal was a piece of garbage
Of course.
There’s a good parrot.
Do you hate trump more than reality?
Do you hate trump more than reality?
Um…what?
Think about it, dear.