How does Bidenomics help the economy?

fallenturtle · November 18, 2021, 8:37pm

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Your issues with helping the poor are a whole other discussion.

tnt · November 18, 2021, 8:45pm

Increases in UE ended two months ago.

Yes, we have labor shortages in our area. Prior to covid, kitchens were staffed with foreign workers - legal and illegal - who simply aren’t here right now.

I don’t have an explanation for it all really, but covid keeping migrants out of the country is part of it. So is people taking better, gig based jobs…

Dem · November 19, 2021, 12:56am

Neat!

DisturbedGuy · November 19, 2021, 3:36am

In America, 60% of the population had less than $500 in the bank. The savings you claim should have run out a couple months ago. Yet, everyone is still hiring. There is more happening here.

zantax · November 19, 2021, 4:04am

Yeah no, that was before large stim checks and higher UE checks.

DisturbedGuy · November 19, 2021, 4:54am

The high ue checks just paid their bills. The idea these people racked up months and months of savings is a false premise. The cogs are sick of the wheel.

zantax · November 19, 2021, 6:21am

DisturbedGuy:

zantax:

DisturbedGuy:

zantax:

DisturbedGuy:

People are no longer getting extra unemployment benefits. Those expired in September. In fact, my Republican governor dropped them June 26th. It hasn’t made a bit of difference. Everyone is still hiring. Even our local Amazon distributor raised their pay to $23 an hour and still can’t get help. There is more to what we are seeing than what you’re claiming.

Yeah, it’s called savings. They will be back at work after they run out.

In America, 60% of the population had less than $500 in the bank. The savings you claim should have run out a couple months ago. Yet, everyone is still hiring. There is more happening here.

Yeah no, that was before large stim checks and higher UE checks.

The high ue checks just paid their bills. The idea these people racked up months and months of savings is a false premise. The cogs are sick of the wheel.

Wait and see. Just the monthly stipend for squeezing out kids is lucrative.

Camp · November 19, 2021, 11:25am

Due to D fear mongering and poor policy.

Not by fate or chance.

tnt · November 19, 2021, 1:18pm

Do you have data showing states like FLA and others who did little mitigation have more people in teh work force and fewer job openings?

Striker840 · November 19, 2021, 3:29pm

Borgia_dude:

Optrader:

Borgia_dude:

Optrader:

I knew you were going to dodge… Just waiting to see how.

I’m not dodging, I’m looking for consistency and I took you at your word that you wanted to have a conversation. Your response above doesn’t reflect that goal.

Remember, you asked me to give examples of how the left was following the Communist handbook? Funny, you didn’t deny they were actually trying to disarm the population, you merely attempted to deflect because you can’t deny it and know that an unarmed population has no way to defend itself against a tyrannical government.

For the sake of the argument, I went with your supposition that the gun control laws were attempts to disarm the population (which I don’t agree but for the sake of the argument I went along).

It seems you are more intent on gotcha than discussion.

I wasn’t aware that other countries also have a Constitution that gives its citizens the RIGHT to bear arms too. Why ever do you suppose the morons that conceived, wrote and finally adopted the Constitution as the foundation of our government, included that pesky amendment in the first place?

Your premise is that disarming a population is a key step towards communism. Ok, if that is true, how do explain Great Britain which has much stronger laws against gun ownership than us? Are they communist? Are they heading toward communism? Similarly, what about Australia?

Ok, let me put it another way: The founding fathers, who had just taken up arms in revolution against their king because of tyranny, penned a document they believed should be the foundation of our government. Do you concede the possibility that they included the 2nd amendment precisely to ensure that in the future, citizens would never be denied the ability to likewise rise up against tyranny?

Ok, that’s all fine. But does disarming a population necessarily lead to communism? It hasn’t in Great Britain. It hasn’t in Australia. What does the evidence tell you?

Do those countries you brought up have a Constitution that has an amendment specifically mentioning firearms, and the right of citizens to own them?

That is what you are either missing or ignoring here. We have that right specifically listed in our Constitution. If the government would ban firearms, that would be violating the Constitution.

Does Australia or Great Britain have a similar document with the right to bear arms specified?

If not, then there is no comparison, pretty sure they were legally allowed to own them, then laws were passed limiting or removing the privelage. That is the key difference here, we have the RIGHT per our Constitution, they had laws ALLOWING (were given the privelage) citizens to own firearms. Those laws were later changed restricting that privelage.

It boils down to allowed vs. rights. One is relatively easy to change, one is correspondingly difficult.

FreeAndClear · November 19, 2021, 3:34pm

DisturbedGuy:

zantax:

DisturbedGuy:

zantax:

DisturbedGuy:

People are no longer getting extra unemployment benefits. Those expired in September. In fact, my Republican governor dropped them June 26th. It hasn’t made a bit of difference. Everyone is still hiring. Even our local Amazon distributor raised their pay to $23 an hour and still can’t get help. There is more to what we are seeing than what you’re claiming.

Yeah, it’s called savings. They will be back at work after they run out.

In America, 60% of the population had less than $500 in the bank. The savings you claim should have run out a couple months ago. Yet, everyone is still hiring. There is more happening here.

Yeah no, that was before large stim checks and higher UE checks.

The high ue checks just paid their bills. The idea these people racked up months and months of savings is a false premise. The cogs are sick of the wheel.

While i agree with you and that labor shortages can be solved by in part paying cogs money, savings are absolutely playing a role in the shortages

Camp · November 19, 2021, 4:50pm

So are authoritarian policies.

Time to back off the pandemic posture for good.

Borgia_dude · November 19, 2021, 5:42pm

I’m not missing it because it is immaterial to whether disarming a population leads to communism. The premise was disarming a population leads to communism. Great Britain has been disarmed, are they communist? Australia has been disarmed, are they communist?

If you want to say that having a Bill of Rights and Second Amendment is special, are you saying that breaking that by disarming would lead to communism but not having a second amendment and disarming would not? That makes no sense. It isn’t the presence or lack thereof of the second amendment that leads to communism, it is the gun outlawing.

If the presence of the Second Amendment is the deciding factor of which countries lead to communism, then we should jettison the second amendment.

FreeAndClear · November 19, 2021, 6:02pm

Companies should just impose their own mandates. Look at Tyson

Optrader · November 19, 2021, 7:02pm

Borgia_dude:

Striker840:

Do those countries you brought up have a Constitution that has an amendment specifically mentioning firearms, and the right of citizens to own them?

That is what you are either missing or ignoring here. We have that right specifically listed in our Constitution. If the government would ban firearms, that would be violating the Constitution.

I’m not missing it because it is immaterial to whether disarming a population leads to communism. The premise was disarming a population leads to communism. Great Britain has been disarmed, are they communist? Australia has been disarmed, are they communist?

If you want to say that having a Bill of Rights and Second Amendment is special, are you saying that breaking that by disarming would lead to communism but not having a second amendment and disarming would not? That makes no sense. It isn’t the presence or lack thereof of the second amendment that leads to communism, it is the gun outlawing.

If the presence of the Second Amendment is the deciding factor of which countries lead to communism, then we should jettison the second amendment.

It is not simply disarming that the left has been trying for. Yes, your masters want absolute control over every American. You can call their goal whatever you want. You guys will go along every step of the way…

zantax · November 19, 2021, 7:05pm

Borgia_dude:

Striker840:

Do those countries you brought up have a Constitution that has an amendment specifically mentioning firearms, and the right of citizens to own them?

That is what you are either missing or ignoring here. We have that right specifically listed in our Constitution. If the government would ban firearms, that would be violating the Constitution.

I’m not missing it because it is immaterial to whether disarming a population leads to communism. The premise was disarming a population leads to communism. Great Britain has been disarmed, are they communist? Australia has been disarmed, are they communist?

If you want to say that having a Bill of Rights and Second Amendment is special, are you saying that breaking that by disarming would lead to communism but not having a second amendment and disarming would not? That makes no sense. It isn’t the presence or lack thereof of the second amendment that leads to communism, it is the gun outlawing.

If the presence of the Second Amendment is the deciding factor of which countries lead to communism, then we should jettison the second amendment.

Communism isn’t the only option after being disarmed, Britain for instance is thoroughly surveilled to almost big brother levels. Not that we are that far behind them. The point is if their government does become Fascist or Communist or just plain tyrannical, they are hosed and will likely be slaves of the state forever.

Borgia_dude · November 19, 2021, 10:21pm

Optrader:

Borgia_dude:

Striker840:

Do those countries you brought up have a Constitution that has an amendment specifically mentioning firearms, and the right of citizens to own them?

That is what you are either missing or ignoring here. We have that right specifically listed in our Constitution. If the government would ban firearms, that would be violating the Constitution.

I’m not missing it because it is immaterial to whether disarming a population leads to communism. The premise was disarming a population leads to communism. Great Britain has been disarmed, are they communist? Australia has been disarmed, are they communist?

If you want to say that having a Bill of Rights and Second Amendment is special, are you saying that breaking that by disarming would lead to communism but not having a second amendment and disarming would not? That makes no sense. It isn’t the presence or lack thereof of the second amendment that leads to communism, it is the gun outlawing.

If the presence of the Second Amendment is the deciding factor of which countries lead to communism, then we should jettison the second amendment.

It is not simply disarming that the left has been trying for. Yes, your masters want absolute control over every American. You can call their goal whatever you want. You guys will go along every step of the way…

You failed to address my point because it disproves yours.

Optrader · November 19, 2021, 11:51pm

Borgia_dude:

Optrader:

Borgia_dude:

Striker840:

Do those countries you brought up have a Constitution that has an amendment specifically mentioning firearms, and the right of citizens to own them?

That is what you are either missing or ignoring here. We have that right specifically listed in our Constitution. If the government would ban firearms, that would be violating the Constitution.

I’m not missing it because it is immaterial to whether disarming a population leads to communism. The premise was disarming a population leads to communism. Great Britain has been disarmed, are they communist? Australia has been disarmed, are they communist?

If you want to say that having a Bill of Rights and Second Amendment is special, are you saying that breaking that by disarming would lead to communism but not having a second amendment and disarming would not? That makes no sense. It isn’t the presence or lack thereof of the second amendment that leads to communism, it is the gun outlawing.

If the presence of the Second Amendment is the deciding factor of which countries lead to communism, then we should jettison the second amendment.

It is not simply disarming that the left has been trying for. Yes, your masters want absolute control over every American. You can call their goal whatever you want. You guys will go along every step of the way…

You failed to address my point because it disproves yours.

I didn’t address your point because you’re comparing apples to watermelons. America is different in so many ways I couldn’t address them all in this thread. I would have to go into areas more suited to the RF. I started one quite awhile ago over there titled How to destroy a nation… Needless to say, you guys figure quite prominently.

Borgia_dude · November 19, 2021, 11:55pm

Optrader:

Borgia_dude:

Optrader:

Borgia_dude:

Striker840:

Do those countries you brought up have a Constitution that has an amendment specifically mentioning firearms, and the right of citizens to own them?

That is what you are either missing or ignoring here. We have that right specifically listed in our Constitution. If the government would ban firearms, that would be violating the Constitution.

I’m not missing it because it is immaterial to whether disarming a population leads to communism. The premise was disarming a population leads to communism. Great Britain has been disarmed, are they communist? Australia has been disarmed, are they communist?

If you want to say that having a Bill of Rights and Second Amendment is special, are you saying that breaking that by disarming would lead to communism but not having a second amendment and disarming would not? That makes no sense. It isn’t the presence or lack thereof of the second amendment that leads to communism, it is the gun outlawing.

If the presence of the Second Amendment is the deciding factor of which countries lead to communism, then we should jettison the second amendment.

It is not simply disarming that the left has been trying for. Yes, your masters want absolute control over every American. You can call their goal whatever you want. You guys will go along every step of the way…

You failed to address my point because it disproves yours.

I didn’t address your point because you’re comparing apples to watermelons. America is different in so many ways I couldn’t address them all in this thread. I would have to go into areas more suited to the RF. I started one quite awhile ago over there titled How to destroy a nation… Needless to say, you guys figure quite prominently.

Special pleading is a logical fallacy.

Maybe America is so special we don’t need to worry about creeping communism?

JimmyC · November 24, 2021, 3:30pm

#ThankYouBrandon