Florida Spike in Cases

[zantax]

Don’t look at me, I don’t think masking goes far enough, shut them down until Delta passes by. Wasn’t necessary for the original, is for delta.

[DougBH]

They compared mask mandated schools in Utah with a school in Israel that didn’t have a mask mandate?
Look, we’ve seen how this hits in waves at different times in different locations. I’m not saying it doesn’t make sense to opt for a mask with unvaccinated kids in high risk areas but these studies had a mission to begin with.

[SottoVoce]

@DougBH

@SottoVoce

@DougBH

Actually, according to the article on this, all schools in the sample had masks, so it found no such thing.

You think they’re going to do a control group and have a bunch of kids not wear masks? That’s unethical. You can’t do studies where you purposefully withhold standard of care. It would be like doing a study on blood pressure medicine preventing strokes where you purposefully take away some of the participants blood pressure medicine.

I didn’t say they should do such a study, I said that since everyone in the study wore a mask, it cannot be considered a legitimate study of the effects of wearing a mask.
Putting words in my mouth much.

Sure it can. You can compare your cohort to expected outcomes, to outcomes in the community and to outcomes in clusters which occurred outside the study. They did all three.

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/147/4/e2020048090

[DougBH]

CDC tracking data shows 80% of people over 65 have completed vaccinations an 90% of people over 65 have had at least one dose. At least, unless there is some variant that is completely different, we shouldn’t be going back to the worst times in the way of deaths.

[tnt]

@DougBH

CDC tracking data shows 80% of people over 65 have completed vaccinations an 90% of people over 65 have had at least one dose. At least, unless there is some variant that is completely different, we shouldn’t be going back to the worst times in the way of deaths.

Yeah, that is really good news.

[Camp]

Exactly. He studied the UK and India examples well.

[Munimula1]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-desantis-schools-masks/2021/08/10/371d4308-fa0a-11eb-9c0e-97e29906a970_story.html

Biden administration looking for ways to pay Florida educators if DeSantis withholds their salaries over mask mandates

Good.

[Munimula1]

Michael Knigge

[tnt]

Yeah but MIGRANTS!!!

[DMK]

@Camp

Exactly. He studied the UK and India examples well.

I thought the video very informative. I like the compare/contrast of other countries brought concisely together like that.

Geesh. You’d think America or Florida is the only country being affected by this

[DMK]

@tnt

Yeah but MIGRANTS!!!

Common, now TNT. You cannot run around with your hair on fire about every un-vaccinated person while not seeing this as a contributing factor to spreading Covid.

[tnt]

@DMK

Common, now TNT. You cannot run around with your hair on fire about every un-vaccinated person while not seeing this as a contributing factor to spreading Covid.

Do you have a link to how many migrants are released in the US? because everything I see suggests a vast majority are turned back and deported. If they end up in our detention centers they are tested and offered teh vaccine and 70% take it.

I just haven’t seen any proof that thousands of migrants with covid are set free to make their way to FLA to ■■■■ up the state.

[WuWei]

@SottoVoce

@DougBH

Actually, according to the article on this, all schools in the sample had masks, so it found no such thing.

You think they’re going to do a control group and have a bunch of kids not wear masks? That’s unethical. You can’t do studies where you purposefully withhold standard of care. It would be like doing a study on blood pressure medicine preventing strokes where you purposefully take away some of the participants blood pressure medicine.

Glad y’all could agree.

[WuWei]

@tnt

@DougBH

Odd statement in that article: “we don’t have data from within North Carolina as to whether or not…what happens when children are not masked.”
So without that, how can they determine what rate of spread is due to masking or that it would have been different with or without masks?

Because they looked at kids who came in close prolonged contact with other covid positive cases and determined the rate of spread was significantly lower than expected transmission rates. Given that the contact occurred in a masked environment the conclusion is, masks slowed the transmission.

Not sciency at all.

[WuWei]

“Outcomes”

[DMK]

@tnt

Do you have a link to how many migrants are released in the US? because everything I see suggests a vast majority are turned back and deported. If they end up in our detention centers they are tested and offered teh vaccine and 70% take it.

I just haven’t seen any proof that thousands of migrants with covid are set free to make their way to FLA to ■■■■ up the state.

You aren’t looking in the right places.

[SottoVoce]

@WuWei

“Outcomes”

Yes, outcomes. From the article:

The primary outcome was the number of within-school (secondary) transmissions of SARS-CoV-2 in traditional public schools conducting in-person learning.

Secondary outcomes included clusters, defined by the NCDHHS as a minimum of 5 cases in the same facility within a 14-day period and plausible epidemiological linkage between cases

Those outcomes were compared to community transmission and clusters in the encompassing school district, surrounding communities and state as a whole. Statistics. Population study. Science stuff.

[tnt]

@DMK

You aren’t looking in the right places.

Do you have a link?

[WuWei]

@SottoVoce

@WuWei

“Outcomes”

Yes, outcomes. From the article:

The primary outcome was the number of within-school (secondary) transmissions of SARS-CoV-2 in traditional public schools conducting in-person learning.

Secondary outcomes included clusters, defined by the NCDHHS as a minimum of 5 cases in the same facility within a 14-day period and plausible epidemiological linkage between cases

Those outcomes were compared to community transmission and clusters in the encompassing school district, surrounding communities and state as a whole. Statistics. Population study. Science stuff.

Working backwards from a perceived outcome. Yes, I know.

[SottoVoce]

@WuWei

@SottoVoce

@WuWei

“Outcomes”

Yes, outcomes. From the article:

The primary outcome was the number of within-school (secondary) transmissions of SARS-CoV-2 in traditional public schools conducting in-person learning.

Secondary outcomes included clusters, defined by the NCDHHS as a minimum of 5 cases in the same facility within a 14-day period and plausible epidemiological linkage between cases

Those outcomes were compared to community transmission and clusters in the encompassing school district, surrounding communities and state as a whole. Statistics. Population study. Science stuff.

Working backwards from a perceived outcome. Yes, I know.

Working backwards? Comparing an outcome to an expected outcome is working backwards? Statistics and the use of null hypotheses are a sham. What a waste.