Feeding the homeless is banned

GWH · 2023-05-21T08:35:16.549Z

Guilds:

Concur regarding the mentally ill. Where do you want the drug addicted to go?

GWH · 2023-05-21T09:36:30.584Z

Guilds:

Having a criminal record dramatically effects one’s ability to get a decent job. Besides being locked up for just doing or having drugs.

Doing drugs also effects one’s ability to get a decent job.

Gaius · 2023-05-21T09:48:51.794Z

thinkingman:

no amount of help will help most homeless.

That is a correct statement. short of giving a free house to everyone who says “Help I can’t keep my Walmart job,” there are only a few things we can do to help most homeless and politically, we are not likely to do those.

There are a number of things we can do to prevent homelessness.

It’s almost impossible in most parts of America to rent individual rooms to people. Zoning laws etc. typically require a private bathroom and private kitchen with every rental. (Very difficult to afford for one of life’s losers working a McJob.)
~57% of homeless are ex-cons (including roughly 20% who were never arrested until they were homeless and arrested only for things relating to homelessness.) I don’t like spending money and I don’t like coddling prisoners but some sort of a better halfway house system etc., for transitioning ex cons into the working world would do a lot.
Having worked with the homeless (quite a bit) I completely believe the estimates that 60-80% of homeless are addicted or mentally-ill or both

thinkingman · 2023-05-21T11:17:51.028Z

Gaius:

Having worked with the homeless (quite a bit) I completely believe the estimates that 60-80% of homeless are addicted or mentally-ill or both

mental illness - i think that is really the root of the problem. not “republicans” like the dumbass jimmy kimmel media and democrats make people think

it’s also a big part of the other issues that plague society.

and what do Democrats and the deranged left do - normalize it, protect and promote it and stick it in govt

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DMK · 2023-05-21T11:27:14.877Z

This is the issue, not feeding the homeless:

Despite our best efforts, significant public safety problems remain at and surrounding St. Timothy’s, including impacts on neighbors, countless police calls, vandalism, property damage and other serious public safety concerns.

Auto129 · 2023-05-21T11:32:47.279Z

Government should not impose on the church for the actions of third parties.

I don’t believe they’ve made their best efforts. If those things are a problem, park a squad car at the church. It’s not a waste of resources if the problem is as large as the neighbors are claiming

DMK · 2023-05-21T11:41:48.100Z

Why park a squad car at the church when the homeless are vandalizing homes and stealing from people in the neighborhood? What good is that going to do?

Auto129 · 2023-05-21T11:49:07.488Z

If cops can’t see the crimes from the church parking lot, it’s outrageous to use the government to impose on the church because of those crimes.

This is assuming, generously, that these alleged crimes are as big a problem as the neighbors are claiming.

DMK · 2023-05-21T12:00:54.571Z

Auto129:

If cops can’t see the crimes from the church parking lot,

You mean this parking lot?

Auto129 · 2023-05-21T12:03:24.115Z

The church is not responsible for anything outside of that picture.
The government should not curtail the rights of the church just because someone ate a biscuit there and allegedly committed a crime somewhere else.

DMK · 2023-05-21T12:06:43.661Z

Auto129:

The church is not responsible for anything outside of that picture.
The government should not curtail the rights of the church just because someone ate a biscuit there and allegedly committed a crime somewhere else.

I’m taking issue with your statement that parking a car in the parking lot will resolve the issues that spill over into the neighborhood.

Auto129:

I don’t believe they’ve made their best efforts. If those things are a problem, park a squad car at the church. It’s not a waste of resources if the problem is as large as the neighbors are claiming

Auto129 · 2023-05-21T12:09:46.675Z

It will, if the neighbors are telling the truth. If it can’t be seen from that lot, then the church isn’t spilling anything.

DMK · 2023-05-21T12:11:39.551Z

Auto129:

It will, if the neighbors are telling the truth. If it can’t be seen from that lot, then the church isn’t spilling anything.

Really? Did I not quote this? It has been an ongoing issue with this church.

DMK:

Despite our best efforts, significant public safety problems remain at and surrounding St. Timothy’s, including impacts on neighbors, countless police calls, vandalism, property damage and other serious public safety concerns.

Auto129 · 2023-05-21T12:14:43.661Z

Feeding the homeless is banned Politics

Government should not impose on the church for the actions of third parties. I don’t believe they’ve made their best efforts. If those things are a problem, park a squad car at the church. It’s not a waste of resources if the problem is as large as the neighbors are claiming

DMK · 2023-05-21T12:20:16.072Z

So, you contend parking a squad car at the church will resolve the crime that is committed in the neighborhood outside of the church grounds.

Good grief

Auto129 · 2023-05-21T12:24:28.169Z

It will certainly resolve

DMK:

significant public safety problems remain at and surrounding St. Timothy’s

How many miles away, or hours later, does crime remain St.Timothy’s fault because they cooked food? Just curious.

DMK · 2023-05-21T12:28:16.852Z

Auto129:

How many miles away, or hours later, does crime remain St.Timothy’s fault because they cooked food? Just curious.

Which is why parking squad car in their parking lot is silly.

zantax · 2023-05-21T13:51:04.187Z

Gaius:

thinkingman:

no amount of help will help most homeless.

That is a correct statement. short of giving a free house to everyone who says “Help I can’t keep my Walmart job,” there are only a few things we can do to help most homeless and politically, we are not likely to do those.

There are a number of things we can do to prevent homelessness.

It’s almost impossible in most parts of America to rent individual rooms to people. Zoning laws etc. typically require a private bathroom and private kitchen with every rental. (Very difficult to afford for one of life’s losers working a McJob.)

~57% of homeless are ex-cons (including roughly 20% who were never arrested until they were homeless and arrested only for things relating to homelessness.) I don’t like spending money and I don’t like coddling prisoners but some sort of a better halfway house system etc., for transitioning ex cons into the working world would do a lot.

Having worked with the homeless (quite a bit) I completely believe the estimates that 60-80% of homeless are addicted or mentally-ill or both

We could be printing concrete homes for 10k each. Plenty of federal land to put them on.

Gaius · 2023-05-21T14:20:59.161Z

zantax:

Gaius:

thinkingman:

no amount of help will help most homeless.

That is a correct statement. short of giving a free house to everyone who says “Help I can’t keep my Walmart job,” there are only a few things we can do to help most homeless and politically, we are not likely to do those.

There are a number of things we can do to prevent homelessness.

It’s almost impossible in most parts of America to rent individual rooms to people. Zoning laws etc. typically require a private bathroom and private kitchen with every rental. (Very difficult to afford for one of life’s losers working a McJob.)

~57% of homeless are ex-cons (including roughly 20% who were never arrested until they were homeless and arrested only for things relating to homelessness.) I don’t like spending money and I don’t like coddling prisoners but some sort of a better halfway house system etc., for transitioning ex cons into the working world would do a lot.

Having worked with the homeless (quite a bit) I completely believe the estimates that 60-80% of homeless are addicted or mentally-ill or both

We could be printing concrete homes for 10k each. Plenty of federal land to put them on.

The won’t go unless its in a city or town somewhere.
If you bus them there or force them there they won’t stay.

Not a chance, not even a small one.

SixFoot · 2023-05-21T14:25:13.091Z

DMK:

You mean this parking lot?

That’s a parking lot? I can’t see.