Feeding the homeless is banned

[DMK]

@Auto129

How many miles away, or hours later, does crime remain St.Timothy’s fault because they cooked food? Just curious.

Which is why parking squad car in their parking lot is silly.

[zantax]

@Gaius

@thinkingman

no amount of help will help most homeless.

That is a correct statement. short of giving a free house to everyone who says “Help I can’t keep my Walmart job,” there are only a few things we can do to help most homeless and politically, we are not likely to do those.

There are a number of things we can do to prevent homelessness.

• It’s almost impossible in most parts of America to rent individual rooms to people. Zoning laws etc. typically require a private bathroom and private kitchen with every rental. (Very difficult to afford for one of life’s losers working a McJob.)

• ~57% of homeless are ex-cons (including roughly 20% who were never arrested until they were homeless and arrested only for things relating to homelessness.) I don’t like spending money and I don’t like coddling prisoners but some sort of a better halfway house system etc., for transitioning ex cons into the working world would do a lot.

• Having worked with the homeless (quite a bit) I completely believe the estimates that 60-80% of homeless are addicted or mentally-ill or both

We could be printing concrete homes for 10k each. Plenty of federal land to put them on.

[Gaius]

@zantax

@Gaius

@thinkingman

no amount of help will help most homeless.

That is a correct statement. short of giving a free house to everyone who says “Help I can’t keep my Walmart job,” there are only a few things we can do to help most homeless and politically, we are not likely to do those.

There are a number of things we can do to prevent homelessness.

• It’s almost impossible in most parts of America to rent individual rooms to people. Zoning laws etc. typically require a private bathroom and private kitchen with every rental. (Very difficult to afford for one of life’s losers working a McJob.)

• ~57% of homeless are ex-cons (including roughly 20% who were never arrested until they were homeless and arrested only for things relating to homelessness.) I don’t like spending money and I don’t like coddling prisoners but some sort of a better halfway house system etc., for transitioning ex cons into the working world would do a lot.

• Having worked with the homeless (quite a bit) I completely believe the estimates that 60-80% of homeless are addicted or mentally-ill or both

We could be printing concrete homes for 10k each. Plenty of federal land to put them on.

The won’t go unless its in a city or town somewhere.
If you bus them there or force them there they won’t stay.

Not a chance, not even a small one.

[SixFoot]

@DMK

You mean this parking lot?

That’s a parking lot? I can’t see.

[zantax]

@Gaius

The won’t go unless its in a city or town somewhere.
If you bus them there or force them there they won’t stay.

Not a chance, not even a small one.

Plenty of empty commercial space then.

[Gaius]

I can imagine that ending well or badly.
I am skeptical but I won’t rule it out.

[Guvnah]

@zantax

Plenty of empty commercial space then.

You take one of the many vacant buildings that once was a supermarket. In the back is full kitchen facilities for some charitable organization to use, to feed the residents. There can be plenty of bathrooms installed in all the space that was formerly used for warehouse space.

Ditto all the vacant ex-K-Mart properties.

There are plenty of such buildings across the nation, and most likely in every town where there is a homeless problem. In fact, many of them are likely being squatted in already, so it’s not like they’ll be moving the homeless problem to these locations. It’s already there.

We (as a society) seem fine with installing safe drug-use facilities already. Why not safe homeless facilities?

[GWH]

Local governments would have to agree to pay the lease on such buildings.

[Guvnah]

@GWH

Local governments would have to agree to pay the lease on such buildings.

Of course. Or, at least, work out a funding method through some benevolent institution.

[Gaius]

@zantax

Plenty of empty commercial space then.

In a sense, if the homeless don’t occupy empty commercial space,
they will occupy commercial space that is not vacant.

The whole idea below is kinda surreal, like something out of a sci-fi film.

[Cratic3947]

@Call_me_Ishmael

@CanadianJudo

cities will do just about everything but help homeless people.

Yeah…crazy. One would think all cities would want to attract the homeless to come. Uh huh.

I mean… look at how much better the major democrat cities are when they coddle the homeless!

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/S-F-officials-want-15-million-for-tent-sites-16269998.php

They don’t actually spend it on homeless. Those in govt give it to their friends. That’s why they don’t even want to end homelessness. It’s a gravy train for connected SF dems…

[Gaius]

If people and churches stop helping the homeless they will change their congregation points but

• they will not stop being homeless
• they will not move to another city.

Deck chairs on the Titanic.

Ian Miles Cheong

[Auto129]

Federal DOJ weighs in on Brookings lawsuit about church feeding the homeless

In its Tuesday statement, the DOJ says the city’s ordinance does not further the city’s interest in promoting public welfare and safety.

“The issues with noise, aesthetics, and crime that prompted the ordinance are byproducts of homelessness and poverty that would persist in Brookings regardless of St. Timothy’s meal service — and indeed may even be made worse if St. Timothy’s were forced to curtail its meal service,” the statement of interest reads.

Glad to see that the DOJ is taking an interest in this case.

Since the lawsuit has been filed, St. Timothy’s has continued to provide meal services four days a week.

Good. Happy Thanksgiving to them.

[Zippy]

@Auto129

Neighbors are consistently the largest impediment to helping the poor.

Compassionate democrats.

[Striker840]

@Guilds

@zantax

I am looking for the number of people that are in prison solely, exclusively, for personal use.

Do you deny black Americans have been treated unfairly for decades, regarding arrests, bail, and sentencing over simple possession charges?

That was not what the poster was looking for.

[Samm]

No wonder libs don’t like churches in their neighborhoods.

[SixFoot]

@Samm

No wonder libs don’t like churches in their neighborhoods.

Libs can’t punch down on a well-fed homeless population infecting their lib utopia.

[Auto129]

Brookings church wins lawsuit against city’s permit requirement to feed homeless

St. Timothy’s had been serving meals to those in need for years, and Father Bernie Lindley argued the city was prohibiting the church from exercising its religious belief of serving the hungry.

Judge Mark Clark resoundingly agreed in his decision Wednesday, even saying one of the city’s arguments about the necessity of a permit in order to serve meals “defies any stretch of the imagination."

“The City of Brookings is very fortunate to have Reverend Lindley and the entire congregation of St. Timothy’s as compassionate, caring, and committed members of the community,” Judge Clark wrote in his opinion. “The homeless are not ‘vagrants,’ but are citizens in need. This is a time for collaboration, not ill-conceived ordinances that restrict care and resources for vulnerable people in our communities.”

“Our ultimate goal is to not have any restrictions on feeding those in need. As Jesus calls us to serve the hungry and to care for those who are sick, any sort of restrictions put on that ministry prohibits us from fulfilling our call as Christians,” she said

A welcome update. I’m glad the court ruled in the church’s favor. Happy Easter!

[WuWei]

Judge Clark wrote in his opinion. “The homeless are not ‘vagrants,’ but are citizens in need.

Your link.

He’s wrong about that. He’s right about the ruling.

[Impenitent]

no soup for you…

but have free needles…