Fauci lied, people died

[Samm]

@Kelby

@Camp

NIH admits US funded gain-of-function research in Wuhan

I asked for a legitimate source, not a Murdoch tabloid, but oh well.

But even they report:

He insisted the bat coronaviruses studied under the NIH grant could not have become COVID-19 because the “sequences of the viruses are genetically very distant.”

If it ain’t on MSNBC or CNN it ain’t legit. Got it.

[Ceasar]

@Smyrna

@Bill.in.PA

If the reports prove to be true, the government killed thousands of Americans by withholding Ivermectin treatments, and Fauci and his cronies were intimately involved in the development of the COVID virus.

Gosh I hope this doesn’t turn out to be true?

Withholding Hydroxychloroquine & Ivermectin did just that. They don’t care. The left does not care if millions die as long as they get power.

[Ben_Natuf]

the cdc admitted it, wasn’t that enough? of course not.

[Ben_Natuf]

he insisted?

yep, that settles it.

[Jezcoe]

@Ceasar

@Smyrna

@Bill.in.PA

If the reports prove to be true, the government killed thousands of Americans by withholding Ivermectin treatments, and Fauci and his cronies were intimately involved in the development of the COVID virus.

Gosh I hope this doesn’t turn out to be true?

Withholding Hydroxychloroquine & Ivermectin did just that. They don’t care. The left does not care if millions die as long as they get power.

HCQ and Ivermectin are not miracle cures for Covid.

They just don’t work.

[Smyrna]

@Jezcoe

HCQ and Ivermectin are not miracle cures for Covid.

They just don’t work.

That isn’t what’s currently being concluded. It’s being reported that they do work, when provided early on during the infection. It reduces hospitalization and death tremendously. Are you in denial of this?

[Call_me_Ishmael]

@Kelby

@Camp

NIH admits US funded gain-of-function research in Wuhan

I asked for a legitimate source, not a Murdoch tabloid, but oh well.

But even they report:

He insisted the bat coronaviruses studied under the NIH grant could not have become COVID-19 because the “sequences of the viruses are genetically very distant.”

Fauci 'Untruthful' to Congress About Wuhan Lab Research, Documents Suggest

If what you really meant was “I want Rachael Maddow to smother me with truth and love” just say so. Plenty of MSNBC articles that you would agree with.

[Jezcoe]

@Smyrna

@Jezcoe

HCQ and Ivermectin are not miracle cures for Covid.

They just don’t work.

That isn’t what’s currently being concluded. It’s being reported that they do work, when provided early on during the infection. It reduces hospitalization and death tremendously. Are you in denial of this?

It doesn’t though.

There were early indications that is might… but they just don’t work.

[Jezcoe]

@Call_me_Ishmael

@Kelby

@Camp

NIH admits US funded gain-of-function research in Wuhan

I asked for a legitimate source, not a Murdoch tabloid, but oh well.

But even they report:

He insisted the bat coronaviruses studied under the NIH grant could not have become COVID-19 because the “sequences of the viruses are genetically very distant.”

Fauci Was 'Untruthful' to Congress About Wuhan Lab Research, New Documents Appear To Show - Newsweek

If what you really meant was “I want Rachael Maddow to smother me with truth and love” just say so. Plenty of MSNBC articles that you would agree with.

What was uncovered was not a grant that was research into SARS but into a relative WIV1.

As shown here.

NIH Documents Provide New Evidence U.S. Funded Gain-of-Function Research in...

Scientists working under a 2014 NIH grant to the EcoHealth Alliance to study bat coronaviruses combined the genetic material from a “parent” coronavirus known as WIV1 with other viruses. They twice submitted summaries of their work that showed that, when in the lungs of genetically engineered mice, three altered bat coronaviruses at times reproduced far more quickly than the original virus on which they were based. The altered viruses were also somewhat more pathogenic, with one causing the mice to lose significant weight. The researchers reported, “These results demonstrate varying pathogenicity of SARSr-CoVs with different spike proteins in humanized mice.”

So the stipulation of the grant was that it could not do gain of function and they reported to the NIH.

The NIH determined it was not gain of function research since that was not the intent of the experiment.

There is legitimate disagreement as to whether this research was gain of function and it is way way way outside of my area of expertise.

What we dumb people can see though is that this research had nothing to do with SARS-COV-2

[WuWei]

NIH says grantee failed to report experiment in Wuhan that created a bat...

Fauci did it. He is Science.

[Camp]

They failed to disclose.

See above pane.

[Jezcoe]

@Camp

They failed to disclose.

See above pane.

Two things

failed to immediately report this result to the agency, as required.

Does not mean that they never disclosed it. They didn’t disclose it in a timely manner. They should be held accountable for that, but that is weak sauce to build a huge conspiracy around especially when they were working on a different virus and were not intending gain of function. The results that they had were by all accounts a surprise.

When they did disclose.

NIH noted in its letter that when the agency reviewed the original EcoHealth grant proposal, it determined the proposed experiments—designed to determine whether certain bat coronaviruses might infect humans—did not meet its definition of so-called gain-of-function (GOF) experiments that can make pathogens more dangerous to humans.

and furthermore.

At the same time, NIH emphasized in a newly released analysis that any viruses being studied at WIV under the grant were too evolutionarily distant from SARS-CoV-2 to have been transformed into it.

That is a weak weak basis to build a huge conspiracy on.

[Bill.in.PA]

Gutfeld had a good commentary of the Fauci and friends’ efforts hide the likely lab origin of the virus and the ongoing bumbling response from the White House.

Gutfeld: They created the killer and the killer got loose

[Call_me_Ishmael]

@Jezcoe

@Call_me_Ishmael

@Kelby

@Camp

NIH admits US funded gain-of-function research in Wuhan

I asked for a legitimate source, not a Murdoch tabloid, but oh well.

But even they report:

He insisted the bat coronaviruses studied under the NIH grant could not have become COVID-19 because the “sequences of the viruses are genetically very distant.”

Fauci Was 'Untruthful' to Congress About Wuhan Lab Research, New Documents Appear To Show - Newsweek

If what you really meant was “I want Rachael Maddow to smother me with truth and love” just say so. Plenty of MSNBC articles that you would agree with.

What was uncovered was not a grant that was research into SARS but into a relative WIV1.

As shown here.

Documents Provide New Evidence U.S. Funded Gain-of-Function Research

Scientists working under a 2014 NIH grant to the EcoHealth Alliance to study bat coronaviruses combined the genetic material from a “parent” coronavirus known as WIV1 with other viruses. They twice submitted summaries of their work that showed that, when in the lungs of genetically engineered mice, three altered bat coronaviruses at times reproduced far more quickly than the original virus on which they were based. The altered viruses were also somewhat more pathogenic, with one causing the mice to lose significant weight. The researchers reported, “These results demonstrate varying pathogenicity of SARSr-CoVs with different spike proteins in humanized mice.”

So the stipulation of the grant was that it could not do gain of function and they reported to the NIH.

The NIH determined it was not gain of function research since that was not the intent of the experiment.

There is legitimate disagreement as to whether this research was gain of function and it is way way way outside of my area of expertise.

What we dumb people can see though is that this research had nothing to do with SARS-COV-2

I’ve done research for the government. I know how to hide real intent with research that “appears” to have a different, more acceptable or legal function. Of course they funded gain of function research. It’s naive to think otherwise.

[Jezcoe]

@Call_me_Ishmael

I’ve done research for the government. I know how to hide real intent with research that “appears” to have a different, more acceptable or legal function. Of course they funded gain of function research. It’s naive to think otherwise.

Well rando on the internet claims it… so it must be true.

Got to do better than that.

[Call_me_Ishmael]

@Jezcoe

@Call_me_Ishmael

I’ve done research for the government. I know how to hide real intent with research that “appears” to have a different, more acceptable or legal function. Of course they funded gain of function research. It’s naive to think otherwise.

Well rando on the internet claims it… so it must be true.

Got to do better than that.

Here… let me give you my name and details of how we hid the true intent of the research we did under government funding. Sure buddy.

[Jezcoe]

@Call_me_Ishmael

@Jezcoe

@Call_me_Ishmael

I’ve done research for the government. I know how to hide real intent with research that “appears” to have a different, more acceptable or legal function. Of course they funded gain of function research. It’s naive to think otherwise.

Well rando on the internet claims it… so it must be true.

Got to do better than that.

Here… let me give you my name and details of how we hid the true intent of the research we did under government funding. Sure buddy.

Yep… rando on internet says it is so.

Compelling argument.

[WuWei]

Rando on the internet says it’s not so.

[Samm]

@Jezcoe

@Camp

They failed to disclose.

See above pane.

Two things

failed to immediately report this result to the agency, as required.

Does not mean that they never disclosed it. They didn’t disclose it in a timely manner. They should be held accountable for that, but that is weak sauce to build a huge conspiracy around especially when they were working on a different virus and were not intending gain of function. The results that they had were by all accounts a surprise.

When they did disclose.

NIH noted in its letter that when the agency reviewed the original EcoHealth grant proposal, it determined the proposed experiments—designed to determine whether certain bat coronaviruses might infect humans—did not meet its definition of so-called gain-of-function (GOF) experiments that can make pathogens more dangerous to humans.

and furthermore.

At the same time, NIH emphasized in a newly released analysis that any viruses being studied at WIV under the grant were too evolutionarily distant from SARS-CoV-2 to have been transformed into it.

That is a weak weak basis to build a huge conspiracy on.

Those are excellent points for Fauci’s defense layers to present at his trial.

[Samm]

@Jezcoe

@Call_me_Ishmael

@Jezcoe

@Call_me_Ishmael

I’ve done research for the government. I know how to hide real intent with research that “appears” to have a different, more acceptable or legal function. Of course they funded gain of function research. It’s naive to think otherwise.

Well rando on the internet claims it… so it must be true.

Got to do better than that.

Here… let me give you my name and details of how we hid the true intent of the research we did under government funding. Sure buddy.

Yep… rando on internet says it is so.

Compelling argument.

Uh … Aren’t you also a “rando on the Internet”?