Evacuation of US Embassy in Ukraine

You would be surprised they are some on Twitter trying to link this to the prior administration already. “Notice Putin didn’t attack Ukraine when Trump was in office”, “This is being orchestrated to punish Ukraine for Trumps impeachment”, “Putin is doing this to make Biden look week so Trump can be re-elected” :roll_eyes:

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…still ignoring the whole, due to your one sided bias?

Do you remember when they wanted us to fight Russia when they took Crimea? I do. Because Obama was president. It’s all situational. Windsocks.

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Completely untrue…

I would very much prefer the American president demonstrate that he is in command and in control during times of crisis.

Biden looking bad is a natural side effect of the fact that Biden is really bad at this job.

It’s on him and on his voters, not on the rest of us.

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It’ll turn out just like the Second Chechen War, which Putin also started for domestic political reasons and then it spiraled out of control for like a decade, broke half the Russian military completely-soldiers starving to death in their barracks-and turned the other half into mafia families.

And that was inside Russia against a pissant little region like Chechnya that Stalin had ■■■■■■■ depopulated fifty years before.

Just a brilliant point.

For every action there is a reaction…

Four years of lying about Trump and Russia was probably going to come back and bite us in the ass.

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The only scary ■■■■ about Russia are their nukes and their espionage. Their conventional military is like a pathetic shadow of the Red Army and has been at least since the end of the Chechen Wars, which they basically lost. Both.

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I would imagine Conan like anyone else can see the NATO expansion since 1990 and at the very least come to the conclusion that while we were happy to be taking in these countries into NATO it was obviously having the opposite effect with Russia, and them being upset is understandable. It doesn’t mean he or anyone else stands with Russia.

Putin is a tyrant however can one not at least see why they are worried about when they say NATO is getting to closer to their borders.

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Seeing the news coming out of England and the Five Eyes which said that Putin was planning on putting in a puppet regime.

If that is true it would avoid an occupational conflict, but would only put a band aid on the pro western sentiment in the country.

Boo ■■■■■■■ hoo.

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It seems the invasions of the Ukraine regardless of Trump has been happening with a democrat is in office. Crimea 2014 and now would looks to be Ukraine itself in 2022. Trump wasn’t in office at these times.

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Their Aerospace Defense Forces aren’t half bad anymore. Took them forever to rebuild them from the remnants of the Soviet Air Force.

The Ground Forces and Navy are still jokes. Especially the Navy. Spetznaz units are good, though.

The issue with Russia isn’t so much that they can’t start a war. Their issue is that they can’t sustain it very long. Their logistics are tragically bad. The production capabilities are a fraction of what the Soviets had in the 1980s. It takes them forever to build even one Su-35S. They can’t replace their losses.

If they invade Ukraine in force, they’ll do ok for the first month or two. But once the insurgency gets rolling they will fall apart just like they did in Chechnya.

The thing that allowed the United States to stay in Iraq and Afghanistan in large numbers for so long is our logistics capability. It’s what we’ve always excelled at. We can not only start wars, but we can keep the campaigns going indefinitely.

The Russians have initial shock and awe capabilities to start a war. But they can’t keep it going very long before their entire industrial base starts to fall apart. That is what they lost when the USSR fell. That was the tragedy of the fall of the Soviet Union for Russia. They lost their logistics.

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Those countries asked to join NATO. They weren’t pressured into signing up. They were basically begging for membership.

And for good reason, too. Considering Russian history with its Eastern European neighbors.

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Russia has no right to invade a country that doesn’t want them to be there.

Russia is swinging their junk around. They have shock and awe capabilities their closest neighbors lack.

Their logistics are terrible and if they go through with this, the inevitable insurgency will kill them. And rightfully so. Russian mothers are going to get real tired of getting folded Russian flags delivered to them after about a year or two. And Russian women have a habit of starting revolutions. They ain’t passive ladies at all.

Best option for NATO is to sit back and watch Russia cut its own arms off and sever its own femoral arteries in an unwinnable insurgency. Maybe throw the Ukrainian rebels some weapons clandestinely.

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And, it bears repeating, the lack of ice this year is very much against them.

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But, right has nothing to do with anything.

Russia food inflation is above 11 percent. The ruble is at 8.1, and production costs are at 24%.

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It’s definitely a gasp of desperation.

Putin has seen the long term numbers. Regardless of what the Russians do, Russia as it exists today won’t exist in 50 years.

All those minority groups want out. They’ve wanted out for centuries.

A Ukrainian victory will only serve to inspire them to move up the time table.

In the end, the only part of Russia that Moscow will control is portions of the European section of the country. The area between Moscow and Saint Petersburg. They can’t maintain it anymore.

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Of course and I am glad we have them. I was just stating the obvious which I think is what Conan was saying he can answer that. That as NATO expanded west Russia was upset as they thought there was a so so agreement about not expanding east with NATO, at least that’s what they are saying over and over.

I don’t like Russia, I don’t like Putin just can say from a geopolitical situation I can see were it could ruffle their feathers. I don’t want war period. .

We don’t have to get involved. All we have to do is sit back and watch the Russians kill themselves.

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This is a nobody opinion, but the key to tweaking Putin’s nose in a real way is to provoke a reborn ‘Pomerania’ (or Pomesania, or Warmia, it doesn’t matter) that just happens to have the exact same boundaries of Kaliningrad Oblast.