D.C Statehood. Two questions

[WuWei]

@mwevans1234

At the time of the writing of the Federalist Papers, state governments were much stronger

Well lookee there.

[Tom_Ch]

@WuWei

@Tom_Ch

@WuWei

@Tom_Ch

The question should be why not?

Same for Puerto Rico. Why not?
They need representation and voting powers too.

1. It’s not a state. It’s a city.
2. They bring nothing to the table.

1. Ok then make it a state or add it to MD.
2. So what? Neither is Mississippi.

It’s fine the way it is.
LOL might want to do some research

I am joking about Mississippi. They always get made fun of. Chris Rock made a good joke on this.
https://twitter.com/netflixisajoke/status/964616269998837761?lang=en

As far as PR, even if you don’t think they have any worth or value, they are US citizens.

[Publius]

Non-voting representation is not representation.

[altair1013]

@Publius

Non-voting representation is not representation.

Back up a minute. We’re putting the cart before the horse. Here’s the horse.

1. Why did the founders not make D.C. part of a state? Subject to state laws and influence.
2. After nearly 250 years, why are these reasons no longer valid?

[WuWei]

@Publius

Non-voting representation is not representation.

Don’t live in the District.

[JayJay]

@altair1013

I respectfully ask that you not answer the question that you find the easiest. Please make an attempt to answer both. Thanks!

1. Why did the founders not make D.C. part of a state? Subject to state laws and influence.

2. After nearly 250 years, why are these reasons no longer valid?

1. The Founders didn’t want a repeat of 1783, when a bunch of drunken soldiers who were pissed they were owed back pay, chased Congress out of Philadelphia and local authorities did nothing to stop them. So they didn’t want the federal seat of government to be at the mercy of any one state.

2. Ironically the latest push for statehood is coming for much the same reason…only this time it’s the federal government that appears to be selectively enforcing when it will overrule DC’s home rule and intervene (they cracked down on the BLM riots using National Guard troops without obtaining either the consent nor even advice of DC’s mayor…then of course were strangely absent for much of the January 6 Capitol riot).

So I’d say the reasons the Founders didn’t want DC to be state controlled haven’t gone away.

However they ought to restore it to how it was pre-1870, when DC landowners could register to vote in either Maryland or Virginia, and modify the Home Rule laws a bit.

I’m sure everyone knows why that right of DC landowners was taken away…

[Supreme_War_Pig]

In the days of the founders, physical proximity was much more important than now.

[JayJay]

Funnily enough, it ought to be today’s grievance GOP that actually wants DC to become a state.

If it was a state, that would be a check on federal overreach.

But the area is controlled by Democrats so of course that’s bad for the team…and team takes precedence over principle.

[altair1013]

But the best and only reason for the current push for D.C statehood is to give the dems two more Senate seats.

There is no reason to surpass this one. Am I right?

[conan]

@Jezcoe

They would want us to determine our own path instead of worshiping at the alter of what we think was their intent.

That’s a matter of your opinion.

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@Rurudyne

Rats want two more senators, so instead of returning the remaining district to Maryland from where it came they are pushing this crap.

It’s all about power.

I openly admitted that is my preferred outcome, but failing that, DC should be absorbed one of the surrounding States.

[WuWei]

@JayJay

DC landowners could register to vote in either Maryland or Virginia,

I’m good with that.

@JayJay

The Founders didn’t want a repeat of 1783, when a bunch of drunken soldiers who were pissed they were owed back pay, chased Congress out of Philadelphia and local authorities did nothing to stop them. So they didn’t want the federal seat of government to be at the mercy of any one state.

Horse feathers. Except for the last sentence. Or any state to get preferential treatment.

[conan]

Libs…

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

They would want us to determine our own path instead of worshiping at the alter of what we think was their intent.

Tide pod eaters.

[altair1013]

@Supreme_War_Pig

I openly admitted that is my preferred outcome, but failing that, DC should be absorbed one of the surrounding States.

That will never happen. The dems do not get two additional senate seats if this occurs. This is why not a single one is proposing this.

[JayJay]

@conan

@Jezcoe

They would want us to determine our own path instead of worshiping at the alter of what we think was their intent.

That’s a matter of your opinion.

Is it?

You really think the Founders wanted us constantly looking back to them for guidance on how to do things?

The Founders were acutely aware that times would change and they couldn’t predict everything.

That’s why our governing document was left open to change and they gave our government the power to pass laws.

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@altair1013

But the best and only reason for the current push for D.C statehood is to give the dems two more Senate seats.

There is no reason to surpass this one. Am I right?

Disagree. It is an affront to the republic that those citizens don’t have a federal vote

[conan]

Those states joined because of contract/Constitution and BoR’s.

And now libs want to change it? Then states are no longer abide to their agreement and thus should be allowed to break free from chains of federal goverment.

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@altair1013

@Supreme_War_Pig

I openly admitted that is my preferred outcome, but failing that, DC should be absorbed one of the surrounding States.

That will never happen. The dems do not get two additional senate seats if this occurs. This is why not a single one is proposing this.

If there ever is a compromise on the issue, I bet that will be it

[Publius]

Tide pods are probably less hazardous than much of what passed as medicine in the late 1700’s.