Medical freedom!
Agreed. But the knife must cut both ways.
DeSantis is doing it on the opposite side of the coin, telling businesses they cannot require vaccination proof from their customers if their business model chooses that route.
(As noted earlier in the thread, he is reacting, and I see his ban as an over-reaction to the tsunami of mandates weâre seeing.)
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My body, my choice.
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They seem to be betting big that vaccine mandates are the most important thing on the minds of conservative voters.
Are they right? [/quote]
Most important? Probably not, but anytime big daddy G proclaims âyou shall do thusâ itâs a fairly big deal to those who believe in individual liberty.
I would square it as a reaction to the federal government telling businesses how they can do business?
I find it curious how many people try to attach anti-vaxxing to Trump. Heâs all for the vaccine.
But your anecdote is important. I also find it curious how many anti-vaxxers can see story after story about unvaccinated people getting nailed by COVID, and the hospitalization rates and death rates of unvaccinated versus vaccinated ⌠and yet still dig in their heels the way they do.
Your neighbor saw the light, perhaps when it hit too close to home for him. We need to continue shining that light â presented as factual information and not as a hammer.
Mandates arenât going to flip the anti-vaxxers. Shaming and yelling wonât either. Theyâre going to have to see the light for themselves, somehow. And until they do, they choose the increased risks. Itâs hard for me not to say, âtold you soâ when anti-vax people I know get nailed by the virus. A good friendâs brother (early 50s) died this way, and sheâs still mad at him and struggling with those feelings clashing with the love she has for her lost sibling (and the pain she feels for his widow and his two kids.)
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I really donât understand thisâŚ
There has long been support for mandates for vaccines for kids. But somehow this is different?
Perhaps the difference here is the demonization of those who wish to choose for themselves, you know the whole âif you donât get the vax, your a bad personâ narrative.
People tend to be repulsed by being demonized and or coerced into action.
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Thatâs because the leftist marxists in Government are shoving vaccines down our throats and that is whatâs putting the vaccine mandates most important right now because of the threat & reality of losing jobs, livelihoods, and being âprofiledâ with segregation and discrimination.
Biden inherited from the previous Administration the vaccine and effective therapeutics to combat covid19 and the same Biden bozoâs who demonized the vaccine prior to the fraudulent election are now the tyrants forcing everyone to get the vaccine and they are still demonizing effective treatment and thatâs the reason more people have died from covid related illnesses in the first 10 months in office than the onset of covid19 & the previous Administration. In other words Biden policies have killed more covid victims then they blame the previous President for.
You donât think this enormous covid catastrophe is not noticed by the public, hell even those dumb enough to have actually voted for Biden can feel the Biden policy pain!!
The vax mandate crap is effecting everything from individual health to our supply lines and recession is right around the corner as the red haired wonder Psaki said herself recently to the WH press corps we are going to see fundamental changes in our economy, aka itâs going in the toilet!
Biden and his Administration is a fundamental disaster for the country so YES Governors are right in taking a stand on the vaccine which is only one of the many assaultsâ on the nation by this Administration.
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What do you mean knife must cut both ways. I specifically said he was wrong telling businesses they could not do it. But I was okay with him telling governments they could not mandate it.
I donât understand the particular position either.
But I do recognize human nature, and recalcitrance in the face of demands, and the impact that politicization of the issue has on this.
And peopleâs willingness to cut off their nose to spite their face.
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Yup. Itâs why I said:
No matter how right you are, people wonât want to listen if you deliver the message with a baseball bat.
Well itâs more like if you donât get vaxxed and get infected you have a much higher chance of spreading this illness to others- including unvaccinated kids. So yes someoneâs personal decision affects others. Thatâs the case with all vaccines.
And really research shows that only a handful of people are angry about mandated immunizations for kids- but somehow care tremendously about this one vaccine mandate.
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Less of tying anti-vax to Trump, and more to his supporters. The hardcore anti-vaxxers tend to be the most ardent Trump supporters.
This wonât work. The unfortunate thing is that the vaccine has become politicized, and presenting facts are not going to convince people.
The only thing that will convince these people, is when it affects them personally.
Well thatâs an honest post. Appreciate that.
I missed that you said the highlighted part.
Thus, I unwittingly reinforced your position, and I agree with it.
(Likewise â and especially likewise â your last sentence. Government is his purview. Perfectly right for him to do that.)
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And blacks. 
But your anecdote was a counterexample of that.
Sadly understandable, but they arenât the vocal ones.
I guess you could call personal experience facts. What I mean though, is that telling people statistics, or showing them stories wonât do anything to convince them. The have to experience it for themselves.
It must be difficult reconciling credit given to Trump for streamlining production of the vaccines and then castigate Biden for trying to get people to take itâŚ
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Still not understanding it. Sheesh Trump even got booed when he promoted the vaccine at a rally.
