Can we all agree that there is no objective criteria of who is/was a good/great president

[WuWei]

@PurpnGold

@WuWei

Neither of which he signed for the benefit of black people. He signed them for the benefit of the democrat party and plainly stated so.

Imma need a quote on that…

No you don’t.

[WuWei]

He swapped constituencies. And even with the swap, somehow democrats have managed to win elections.

[GrandWazoo]

@Safiel

The Democrats are only now really making inroads in the south, and with a completely different constituency then the one they had in the 1960’s.

2018 Doug Jones was a gift. However we might see sort of a blue wave hit the south this election.

[TommyLucchese]

@GrandWazoo

If my history is correct, when LBJ signed the VRA he said that there was a good chance that the Democrats would lose the support of the southern states. And he was right.

His actual quote was, “We’ve lost the south for a generation.”

He was wrong. It’s almost three generations and counting.

[TommyLucchese]

@WuWei

No you don’t.

If he plainly stated so, it shouldn’t be difficult.

[WuWei]

It’s not.

[PurpnGold]

@WuWei

No you don’t.

Exactly what I thought

[DOLOOP]

@TommyLucchese

@GrandWazoo

If my history is correct, when LBJ signed the VRA he said that there was a good chance that the Democrats would lose the support of the southern states. And he was right.

His actual quote was, “We’ve lost the south for a generation.”

He was wrong. It’s almost three generations and counting.

Yup.

char

[Camp]

See how that works…We vote to decide…that is all.

Personally I equate energy independence with freedom

[biggestal99]

@Camp

Try responding to the topic.

Trump has been a very good President

Which is why he will be a one termer.

If he was so great, why aren’t most citizens going to vote for him this time around?

Allan

[Camp]

The DC career politicians in conjunction with a subservient media have made personality more importantant than policy.

Voters should know what really matters.

I think they do.

History will be kind to Trump when the media wouldn’t.

[biggestal99]

@Camp

History will be kind to Trump when the media wouldn’t

His response to the covid crisis alone will assign him to the dustbin of history along with Hoover, Harding and Buchanan.

Allan

[Camp]

I strongly disagree.

Trump moved government in the right direction faster than anyone thought possible.

The daily task force briefings were really good until the press made them confrontational.

[biggestal99]

@Camp

I strongly disagree.

Trump moved government in the right direction faster than anyone thought possible.

The daily task force briefings were really good until the press made them confrontational

The press?

Trump made some covid press conferences into ragging on his political opponents.

You know it and I know it.

Was not his finest hour.

Allan

[Camp]

Once again I will disagree. I will also thank you for being an active TDS content supplier. With your valued input…we all win.

[biggestal99]

@Camp

Once again I will disagree. I will also thank you for being an active TDS content supplier. With your valued input…we all win

And likewise for you defending a wretched human being no matter what he does.

Allan

[LeroyBrown]

@Eagle-Keeper

Clearly that’s the case in modern times. You can find various good and bad perspectives on Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Bush, etc. And I’m sure you can find that on most if not all presidents. It’s not like athletes for example, where’s there is no debate. Does anyone debate whether Michael Jordan was a great basketball player?

Tell me the president who ushered in world peace? Tell me the president who created prosperity for all Americans? Tell me the president who brought us all together? Tell me the president who ended all illnesses and disease? Tell me the president who everyone love admired?

What defines a good/great president is largely subjective criteria much of which I would argue is not in the control of a single human being.

If there was only some starting point to which we could turn to determine what the president’s role was…

[BillBrown]

A case can be made for any president as being a great president or a bad president.
Pat Buchannan wrote an excellent article praising Warren G. Harding as a great president.
Lincoln can be made out as our worst president because of his ignoring the constitution.
It’s all subjective.
Great thread!!

[Piper]

@TheRedComet

Where’s LBJ on your list?

LBJ gave the food stamps and that started the lazy love-in wave of hippies.

[Jamerican]

@TommyLucchese

His actual quote was, “We’ve lost the south for a generation.”

He was wrong. It’s almost three generations and counting.

Yep…that’s true.
LBJ was very problematic and though he signed into law the VRA and CRA the civil rights movement forced his hand so he definitely didn’t do it out of the kindness of his heart. LBJ knew his folks and he knew their ideology because he shared that same ideology. It is well known that he was made in the mode of that southern racists democrat/dixiecrat line of thinking.

Another example of how well he knew his folks back then was well stated in this quote, “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you”. It was relevant and true then and in some portions of this country it’s relevant and true now.

I personally think LBJ was a piece of crap politician who got lucky, but at the end of the day my parents, my grand parents(RIP), my family(including the ones that immigrated here and became citizens) along with millions of black Americans is very thankful for the VRA and CRA.