Indeed, but not because of the bail. You have a right to a speedy trial regardless of where you are waiting.
You don’t have a right to walk around free to commit more crimes while you wait.
Indeed, but not because of the bail. You have a right to a speedy trial regardless of where you are waiting.
You don’t have a right to walk around free to commit more crimes while you wait.
So extremely weird that conservatives want “The State” in the form of teachers…to deliver physical punishment to children. Very very weird.
Poverty is being punished. Women and people of color tend to be poorer as shown in statistics of who is languishing in jail because they can’t pay bail. 14th.
Does a white male unable to pay bail get different treatment?
Indeed, but not because of the bail. You have a right to a speedy trial regardless of where you are waiting.
You don’t have a right to walk around free to commit more crimes while you wait.
Sure- but anyone with an extra thousand can and do “walk around free to commute more crimes”. Why do they get to and the poorer don’t?
So extremely weird that conservatives want “The State” in the form of teachers…to deliver physical punishment to children. Very very weird.
Teachers should not be part of “the state”. So let’s pull education out of the states control. You ok with that?
Or is it weird that you want “the state” to have the power over children’s minds?
Does a white male unable to pay bail get different treatment?
No but statistically this affects people of color and women far more.
Sort of like Jim Crow laws were written to target certain groups.
Teachers should not be part of “the state”. So let’s pull education out of the states control. You ok with that?
Ok so end public education and have private pay schools where teachers can physically punish kids. Ok.
From the link:
“entitled the National Strategy on Gender Equity and Equality.”
What does mean? Do they want administrative assistants to be paid the same as welders?
WuWei:Indeed, but not because of the bail. You have a right to a speedy trial regardless of where you are waiting.
You don’t have a right to walk around free to commit more crimes while you wait.
Sure- but anyone with an extra thousand can and do “walk around free to commute more crimes”. Why do they get to and the poorer don’t?
They don’t. The rules are the same for everybody. $1k bail is $1k bail, whether you are a white normal male or a black Haitian IV drug abusing lesbian.
Your personal finances are what are unequal.
WuWei:Does a white male unable to pay bail get different treatment?
No but statistically this affects people of color and women far more.
Sort of like Jim Crow laws were written to target certain groups.
So what. Bail is not determined by your personal finances. It is determined by the severity of the offense and the likelihood you will flee.
Why do you think they set bail at millions for some?
You are trying to equalize outcomes again.
What does mean?
Equal outcomes.
They don’t. The rules are the same for everybody. $1k bail is $1k bail, whether you are a white normal male or a black Haitian IV drug abusing lesbian.
Your personal finances are what are unequal.
So it’s your fault you’re poor- and therefore you have to stay in jail. Nah…
So what. Bail is not determined by your personal finances. It is determined by the severity of the offense and the likelihood you will flee.
Why do you think they set bail at millions for some?
You are trying to equalize outcomes again.
Jailing people for being poor is happening with hundreds of thousands of small cases- leading to jail overcrowding- leading to you and me paying taxes to keep people in jail unnecessarily. It’s dumb- but worse it’s unconstitutional.
WuWei:They don’t. The rules are the same for everybody. $1k bail is $1k bail, whether you are a white normal male or a black Haitian IV drug abusing lesbian.
Your personal finances are what are unequal.
So it’s your fault your poor- and therefore you have to stay in jail. Nah…
No, you committed a crime; therefore, you have to stay in jail. Now, because of logistics, we’re going to allow you to post a bond so that when we call you, you’re more likely to show up.
I’m with you on the speedy trial. But I don’t think you’ve made a case for cash bail being unConstitutional.
WuWei:So what. Bail is not determined by your personal finances. It is determined by the severity of the offense and the likelihood you will flee.
Why do you think they set bail at millions for some?
You are trying to equalize outcomes again.
Jailing people for being poor is happening with hundreds of thousands of small cases- leading to jail overcrowding- leading to you and me paying taxes to keep people in jail unnecessarily. It’s dumb- but worse it’s unconstitutional.
Nobody is being jailed for being poor. Don’t be ridiculous.
Nobody is being jailed for being poor. Don’t be ridiculous.
It’s literally what’s happening. And taxpayers are paying for it.
We got rid of poorhouses a long time ago.
DisturbedGuy:state of New Jersey eliminated the cash bail system in 2014 and despite all the doomsday predictions it has be successful.
Yeah… forcible rape is up 50% since then but … hey … gotta love those horney NJ voters!
You got a link to back up that claim?
WuWei:Nobody is being jailed for being poor. Don’t be ridiculous.
It’s literally what’s happening. And taxpayers are paying for it.
We got rid of poorhouses a long time ago.
No, it’s not. See this is why nobody likes you progs. You take a valid point, paint racism all over it, and turn it into Woke crap.
You have a BIPOC of limited means charged with a crime. You don’t require bail. Xi goes out and the next day, commits another crime. No bail. Again.
When you’re ready to try Xi for the first offense, Xi has committed two more and has no reason to show up for the first one.
What will society say about that?
KHOU 11 Investigates analyzed 407 capital murder charges filed in Harris County between September 2016 and September 2021.
30% of those who do post bail.
Jailing people for being poor is happening with hundreds of thousands of small cases- leading to jail overcrowding- leading to you and me paying taxes to keep people in jail unnecessarily. It’s dumb- but worse it’s unconstitutional.
You’re not “jailing people for being poor”. They are being jailed for a crime. Now they can stay in jail until their trial or they can pay bail? The bail is to insure they’ll return for their trial. Those are the rules, now…how does each choose to conduct their lives? It’s their choice and their choice alone? If you don’t have the money for bail, then don’t commit the crime but don’t commit the crime and then say, the bail isn’t fair. That’s absolutely ridiculous.
Call_me_Ishmael: DisturbedGuy:state of New Jersey eliminated the cash bail system in 2014 and despite all the doomsday predictions it has be successful.
Yeah… forcible rape is up 50% since then but … hey … gotta love those horney NJ voters!
You got a link to back up that claim?
Why do you want a link?