Are the walls finally closing in on the "fine people" hoax?

Joe Biden recently doubled down on the fine-people hoax, which has been a cornerstone of his campaign:

Three years ago today, white supremacists descended on Charlottesville with torches in hand and hate in their hearts. Our president said they were "very fine people."
It was clear then, and it’s clear now: We are in a battle for the soul of our nation, and we must win.
Biden Twitter, August 12

In contrast to Biden’s claims, a transcript shows that Trump actually condemned the very people that Biden claims he called “fine people”:

. . .you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides . . .I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists – because they should be condemned totally.
For a full transcript see:

Jake Tapper at CNN even agreed:
Now, elsewhere in those remarks, Trump did condemn neo-Nazis and white supremacists. So he’s not saying that the neo-Nazis and white supremacists are very fine people.

Of course true believers in the fine-people hoax immediately discount the possibility that anyone could have attended the rally who was there to support keeping the statues but was unconnected to the Neo-Nazis and white nationalists. On the other hand, reports from the New York Times in August 2017 actually support Trump’s statements:

”Good people can go to Charlottesville,” said Michelle Piercy, a night shift worker at a Wichita, Kan., retirement home, who drove all night with a conservative group that opposed the planned removal of a statue of the Confederate general Robert E. Lee.

After listening to Mr. Trump on Tuesday, she said it was as if he had channeled her and her friends — all gun-loving defenders of free speech, she said, who had no interest in standing with Nazis or white supremacists . . .

Additional confirmation comes from Scott Adams who has similar interviews:

At this point the true believers usually come back that support of keeping Confederate monuments inherently supports white supremacy. The counterpoint comes from a PBS poll from the time that showed that 44% of African Americans believed that the statues should “remain as a historical symbol” compared to 40% who wanted them removed.

Were African Americans who supported keeping the statues really “white supremacists”?

The recent violent protests and riots further show the Democrats’ delusions. They have had a mantra about “mostly peaceful” BLM/Antifa protests that have frequently turned violent and resulted in looting, arson, and dozens of deaths. Yet Biden staff members have been sending money to the Minnesota Freedoms Fund to bail out violent BLM/Antifa extremists. Likewise Kamala Harris has actively raised money for the same fund. Here is a description of two of the people they helped to bail out:

According to attempted murder charges, Jaleel Stallings shot at members of a SWAT Team during the riots in May. Police recovered a modified pistol that looks like an AK-47. MFF paid $75,000 in cash to get Stallings out of jail. Darnika Floyd is charged with second degree murder, for stabbing a friend to death. MFF paid $100,000 cash for her release.

Has the Biden/Harris campaign been falsely accusing Trump of calling violent extremists “fine people”, while they are actually supporting and funding violent extremists?

Are the walls finally closing in on the infamous fine-people hoax?

Or are supporters of the hoax so blinded by their ideology that facts are irrelevant?


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Scott Adams, creator of Dilbert? Neat.

The torch carrying statue defenders here chants include: “Blood and Soil” and “Jews will not replace us”.

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The President failed the easiest test of his presidency.

To unequivocally denounce NAZIs.


James Alex Fields, photographed at the rally, later got into his car and drove through a peaceful counter march, murdering Heather Heyer and seriously injuring others…

He was found guilty and sentenced to life + 419 years


Did did denounce them.

I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists – because they should be condemned totally.

Read the transcript.

In contrast Biden and Harris continue to promote and fund violent Antifa/BLM extremists, while they and their allies have repeat the “mostly peaceful” protest deception.


Does everyone have a torch in that pic, yes or no?

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When there is a dead body… that is not the time to parse words.

It was the easiest test to fail and he failed it hard.

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The Democrats and their allies have claimed the violence that as resulted in multiple deaths has been really “mostly peaceful protests”.

Where are the condemnations of the violent leftist extremists from Biden and Harris?

Why are they supporting fund-raising to bail out the violent extremists?


Trump hates white supremacists like he appreciates peaceful protests. His words are betrayed by the very next thing he does or says, or even has already said. It’s the thing he doesn’t mean that he needs to get out of the way.

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Good point.

If only they had been burning buildings instead of torches, Democrats would have declared everything “mostly peaceful”.


“Condemned totally” is clear to me.

Please point to a similar condemnation of Antifa from Biden or Harris.


You know this was just three years ago and we all remember how the overt condemnation of white nationalists had to be dragged out of him, right? First he equivocated, then there was a press release a day or two later and then a day or two after that he finally came out and said it.

Your sources leave that out.


Please post links if you have anything more than vague recollections.


It’s what happened. It’s not vague. I laid it out step by step.

Post the links then. The OP includes the transcript with the “fine people” quote.

It is clear that Trump condemned the very people that Democrats claim he supported. “Fine people” was referring to peaceful protestors on both sides of the issue of keeping the monuments.

On the other hand, Biden called anyone on the Antifa side as “courageous Americans” in his campaign ad without any reservations.

Are the violent Antifa/BLM extremists committing murder, looting, arson, etc. really “courageous Americans”? Biden has never denounced them, and Harris and the Biden campaign staff are providing funding to bail them out.

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Blah blah blah. He said that ■■■■ Tuesday. Charlottesville happened on Saturday. His statement that day in no way condemned white nationalists. The there was a press release on Monday no one believed. Then on Tuesday he came out and said that and still had to say there were very fine people on the side of the Nazis.


Hold on… Are you now claiming that Trump said “There are only fine people on one side”?

Wow Trump really would have saved you a lot of time if he hadn’t been all mush mouthed about this.

Did you know that Donald Trump never called the media the enemy of the American people?