And yet parents still inform their children’s beliefs more than any other institution.
I will agree it is not ubiquitous and varies according to several factors.
Do you agree it is indeed happening at the institutions and degree programs from which government bureaucrats and other power brokers are drawn?
Academia and law for example? Yale School of Government?
Good parents, no doubt. Are parents competing with schools if those beliefs are in conflict?
Are peer groups included in “institutions”?
College and graduate schools are replete with indoctrination. Yes.
It’s not just lib though. Are you referencing people like Hacker and Pierson?
WuWei:
FreeAndClear:
Overall, there is no intentional indoctrination happening in school.
I will agree it is not ubiquitous and varies according to several factors.
Do you agree it is indeed happening at the institutions and degree programs from which government bureaucrats and other power brokers are drawn?
Academia and law for example? Yale School of Government?
College and graduate schools are replete with indoctrination. Yes.
It’s not just lib though. Are you referencing people like Hacker and Pierson?
Glad we could agree. So is the military.
I don’t know who they are.
Do you agree the social sciences and humanities are immersed in it?
Indoctrination can take many forms. So to your point, are teachers intentionally indoctrinating our young overtly? Of course not. Are our young being indoctrinated? Of course they are. Same would hold true if our education system was primarily dominated by conservatives. If that were the case, they would be more inclined to be self-sufficient and not dependent on someone else. That’s pretty straightforward stuff.
Not following???
Not following???
Those are not the values of liberalism, which founded this country.
Those are the values of progressives and justice democrats.
The live and let live values expressed by @altair1013 are liberal values.
Indoctrination can take many forms. So to your point, are teachers intentionally indoctrinating our young overtly? Of course not. Are our young being indoctrinated? Of course they are. Same would hold true if our education system was primarily dominated by conservatives. If that were the case, they would be more inclined to be self-sufficient and not dependent on someone else. That’s pretty straightforward stuff.
Self-sufficiency, the myth of boot strapping etc are a wholly different topic.
Actually I was contrasting the victimhood mentality with one of self sufficiency. Big government versus small government. Our young today are taught to be victims in need of rescuing by big government.
Actually I was contrasting the victimhood mentality with one of self sufficiency. Big government versus small government. Our young today are taught to be victims in need of rescuing by big government.
No they are not. Neither directly nor indirectly.
That you don’t see the difference between the importance of government despite its bureaucratic insufficiencies and relying on government to solve problems is the very thing that separates us. I am not going to argue dogma. That’s gonna fail
Self-sufficiency, the myth of boot strapping etc are a wholly different topic.
Overblown a bit to drive the issue perhaps, but hardly a myth. Is seeking out mentors not part of “boot strapping”? How about executing their advice?
If I teach my son where the straps are on his boots and which boot goes on which foot, is that not boot strapping?
peek-a-boo:
Actually I was contrasting the victimhood mentality with one of self sufficiency. Big government versus small government. Our young today are taught to be victims in need of rescuing by big government.
No they are not. Neither directly nor indirectly.
That you don’t see the difference between the importance of government despite its bureaucratic insufficiencies and relying on government to solve problems is the very thing that separates us. I am not going to argue dogma. That’s gonna fail
Yes they are and it’s completely understandable.
FreeAndClear:
Self-sufficiency, the myth of boot strapping etc are a wholly different topic.
Overblown a bit to drive the issue perhaps, but hardly a myth. Is seeking out mentors not part of “boot strapping”? How about executing their advice?
If I teach my son where the straps are on his boots and which boot goes on which foot, is that not boot strapping?
The overblown part is what i was referencing. Boot strapping is a real thing.
The hyperbole surrounding it is the myth
That last sentence - “come on now”
And yet our young repeatedly play the victim card and do believe they are entitled. Go figure. 
And yet are young repeatedly play the victim card and do believe they are entitled. Go figure.
Repeatedly… do believe
Conclusive statements are conclusive.
Loud doesn’t mean majority of
And yet the majority of our young vote democrat. LIBs must be doing something right. There indoctrination is working. 
And yet the majority of our young vote democrat. LIBs must be doing something right. There indoctrination is working.
The fact that the young tend to be more liberal is not new
It wasn’t the 50 something putting flowers in peoples hair in the 60s
WuWei:
FreeAndClear:
Self-sufficiency, the myth of boot strapping etc are a wholly different topic.
Overblown a bit to drive the issue perhaps, but hardly a myth. Is seeking out mentors not part of “boot strapping”? How about executing their advice?
If I teach my son where the straps are on his boots and which boot goes on which foot, is that not boot strapping?
The overblown part is what i was referencing. Boot strapping is a real thing.
The hyperbole surrounding it is the myth
That last sentence - “come on now”
Maybe we are using the term differently. When I use it, it means a hand up, not a hand out. The minimum absolutely necessary to keep from falling off the cliff. No force. And humble and grateful about it, not owed.
I have no issue with mutual aid societies, resource sharing, etc. I have a big problem with government force.
Fire Departments are a good example. Volunteer vs. Funded. And if people vote for funded I’m ok with that.
I’m not ok with fiats by egg-headed bureaucrats deciding “the greater good”. Which is what we have.
Come on now what?
peek-a-boo:
And yet the majority of our young vote democrat. LIBs must be doing something right. There indoctrination is working.
The fact that the young tend to be more liberal is not new
It wasn’t the 50 something putting flowers in peoples hair in the 60s
They are doing it out of ignorance and short-sightedness.
The people putting the flowers in their hair in the 60s are the boomers everybody is waiting on to die now so the “world can be saved”.