LIB dominance of education, media and entertainment is nothing new either. 
Its not indoctrination⌠just victimhood in general. Itâs a natural part of growing up and socializing. Some kids having it stronger than others and most people grow out of it eventually. It can also be influenced by your social groups, especially in later years of high school and in college.
Do most people of color go into social sciences and humanities or STEM?
Is it an accident?
just victimhood in general
Thatâs incorrect.
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And yet the majority of our young vote democrat. LIBs must be doing something right. There indoctrination is working.
The fact that the young tend to be more liberal is not new
It wasnât the 50 something putting flowers in peoples hair in the 60s
They are doing it out of ignorance and short-sightedness.
Yes they are
LIB dominance of education, media and entertainment is nothing new either.
Neither is younger people being generally having less life experience leading to somewhat more idealistic positions
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Self-sufficiency, the myth of boot strapping etc are a wholly different topic.
Overblown a bit to drive the issue perhaps, but hardly a myth. Is seeking out mentors not part of âboot strappingâ? How about executing their advice?
If I teach my son where the straps are on his boots and which boot goes on which foot, is that not boot strapping?
The overblown part is what i was referencing. Boot strapping is a real thing.
The hyperbole surrounding it is the myth
That last sentence - âcome on nowâ
Maybe we are using the term differently. When I use it, it means a hand up, not a hand out. The minimum absolutely necessary to keep from falling off the cliff. No force. And humble and grateful about it, not owed.
I have no issue with mutual aid societies, resource sharing, etc. I have a big problem with government force.
Fire Departments are a good example. Volunteer vs. Funded. And if people vote for funded Iâm ok with that.
Iâm not ok with fiats by egg-headed bureaucrats deciding âthe greater goodâ. Which is what we have.
Come on now what?
To me bootstrapping is success without any assistance in any environment. It involves luck and yes a hand up (personal savings that can come from inheritance i guess).
To me bootstrapping is success without any assistance in any environment. It involves luck and yes a hand up (personal savings that can come from inheritance i guess).
A hand up is assistance.
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They arenât being taught that anywhere.
So they come by it all on their own? That somehow its in their DNA? Wow! You could get a doctorate degree studying that one.
Its human. Ever met a teenager?
Whatâs human? Indoctrination of children?
Its not indoctrination⌠just victimhood in general. Itâs a natural part of growing up and socializing. Some kids having it stronger than others and most people grow out of it eventually. It can also be influenced by your social groups, especially in later years of high school and in college.
Victimhood is taught to children by the adults in their lives who have influence over them. For example, I grew up in a very poor household, but I was not really aware of that until I was an adult because my parents never bemoaned their economic situation or blamed it on somebody else. And yes, I was aware that some of my friends had more than I did, but I chalked that up to their parents being more generous than mine, not that they necessarily had more money.
LIBs are incapable of voting without assistance. They are victims in need of assistance to vote and to survive. But have no fear. Their benefactors will not only grease the wheels to ensure anything that moves (or not moves) makes it to the ballot box, but as a bonus they will tell them who they should vote for.
The majority of liberals who vote do so and do so without assistance.
I think we should also help poor conservative voters who have trouble getting to a polling place or getting time away from work or the kids to vote⌠in fact assistance should be offered regardless of political belief. Voting is a good thing. We should encourage voting. In neither situation should these voters be told who to vote for.
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They arenât being taught that anywhere.
So they come by it all on their own? That somehow its in their DNA? Wow! You could get a doctorate degree studying that one.
Its human. Ever met a teenager?
Whatâs human? Indoctrination of children?
Its not indoctrination⌠just victimhood in general. Itâs a natural part of growing up and socializing. Some kids having it stronger than others and most people grow out of it eventually. It can also be influenced by your social groups, especially in later years of high school and in college.
Victimhood is taught to children by the adults in their lives who have influence over them. For example, I grew up in a very poor household, but I was not really aware of that until I was an adult because my parents never bemoaned their economic situation or blamed it on somebody else. And yes, I was aware that some of my friends had more than I did, but I chalked that up to their parents being more generous than mine, not that they necessarily had more money.
So the secret to raising children without a sense of victimhood is to never expose them to hardships you, the parent, are experiencing?
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If only there were more conservative teachers. That is the issue. Very few conservatives in education, the media and in entertainment.
Yes more conservatives should go into education
We need more liberals as religious leaders.
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Self-sufficiency, the myth of boot strapping etc are a wholly different topic.
Overblown a bit to drive the issue perhaps, but hardly a myth. Is seeking out mentors not part of âboot strappingâ? How about executing their advice?
If I teach my son where the straps are on his boots and which boot goes on which foot, is that not boot strapping?
The overblown part is what i was referencing. Boot strapping is a real thing.
The hyperbole surrounding it is the myth
That last sentence - âcome on nowâ
Maybe we are using the term differently. When I use it, it means a hand up, not a hand out. The minimum absolutely necessary to keep from falling off the cliff. No force. And humble and grateful about it, not owed.
I have no issue with mutual aid societies, resource sharing, etc. I have a big problem with government force.
Fire Departments are a good example. Volunteer vs. Funded. And if people vote for funded Iâm ok with that.
Iâm not ok with fiats by egg-headed bureaucrats deciding âthe greater goodâ. Which is what we have.
Come on now what?
To me bootstrapping is success without any assistance in any environment. It involves luck and yes a hand up (personal savings that can come from inheritance i guess).
Do you have any real life examples of such? I donât see how this is possible.
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WuWei:
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WuWei:
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Self-sufficiency, the myth of boot strapping etc are a wholly different topic.
Overblown a bit to drive the issue perhaps, but hardly a myth. Is seeking out mentors not part of âboot strappingâ? How about executing their advice?
If I teach my son where the straps are on his boots and which boot goes on which foot, is that not boot strapping?
The overblown part is what i was referencing. Boot strapping is a real thing.
The hyperbole surrounding it is the myth
That last sentence - âcome on nowâ
Maybe we are using the term differently. When I use it, it means a hand up, not a hand out. The minimum absolutely necessary to keep from falling off the cliff. No force. And humble and grateful about it, not owed.
I have no issue with mutual aid societies, resource sharing, etc. I have a big problem with government force.
Fire Departments are a good example. Volunteer vs. Funded. And if people vote for funded Iâm ok with that.
Iâm not ok with fiats by egg-headed bureaucrats deciding âthe greater goodâ. Which is what we have.
Come on now what?
To me bootstrapping is success without any assistance in any environment. It involves luck and yes a hand up (personal savings that can come from inheritance i guess).
Do you have any real life examples of such? I donât see how this is possible.
Itâs not.
Itâs a myth
What experience have you had with this demographic?
Iâm not taking a test for you.
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My qualifications to have a theory are none of your business.
If conservatives dominated education, media and entertainment I strongly believe the young would vote Republican.
Or simply making conscious choices to better oneself, along with the requisite hard work.
I plotted my choices early on and worked to put myself through college. Coming from a family of 10 living in poverty, there was absolutely no way my folks could afford to send any of us to college. After a very successful and rewarding career, Iâm now comfortably retired with my loving wife.
Neither luck nor inheritance had anything to do with my success and Iâm not unique in that regard. Choices have consequences and the consequences of my hard work and dedication to my chosen career paid off handsomely.
LIBs like to promise that anyone can make a living wage by flipping burgers for the rest of their lives. They point to those who canât make a living wage flipping burgers and call them victims. Thatâs part of the entitlement society. Everyone should be treated exactly the same financially, whether one puts forth the effort to better themselves or whether they choose to simply flip burgers.
Or simply making conscious choices to better oneself, along with the requisite hard work.
I plotted my choices early on and worked to put myself through college. Coming from a family of 10 living in poverty, there was absolutely no way my folks could afford to send any of us to college. After a very successful and rewarding career, Iâm now comfortably retired with my loving wife.
Neither luck nor inheritance had anything to do with my success and Iâm not unique in that regard. Choices have consequences and the consequences of my hard work and dedication to my chosen career paid off handsomely.
LIBs like to promise that anyone can make a living wage by flipping burgers for the rest of their lives. They point to those who canât make a living wage flipping burgers and call them victims. Thatâs part of the entitlement society. Everyone should be treated exactly the same financially, whether one puts forth the effort to better themselves or whether they choose to simply flip burgers.
And the point that on an individual level itâs plausible because luck plays a role in boot strapping
You canât project it onto society as whole.
Boot strapping when applied to society as a whole is as idealistic of a position as world peace
And the point that on an individual level itâs plausible because luck plays a role in boot strapping
Did you know that nobody uses that term anymore? Nobody has asked anyone to boot strap outside of the privacy of their bedroom for probably 20 years.
Boot strapping when applied to society as a whole is as idealistic of a position as world peace
And yet 10s of millions of Americans do exactly that. Go figure!
Whatâs mythical is the LIB notion that big government can provide for everyone, as in cradle to grave.