Addressing the elephant in the womb

[sikofit]

@WildRose

It’s simply a fact. There are at least two bodies involved and one of them is completely unable to defend itself which is where the state becomes legitimately involved

The law disagrees

[WildRose]

They seem to forget that both are part of the Organic Laws of the United States and that the purpose of The Constitution was to protect the rights as outlined and defined in documents like the DOI.

[WildRose]

No it doesn’t. In all but one state there are laws limiting when abortion is legal.

[WildRose]

Well that’s just stupid on it’s face. Nice try.

[sikofit]

@WildRose

No it doesn’t. In all but one state there are laws limiting when abortion is legal.

Yes it does. Women are allowed to have abortions in all 50 states

[WildRose]

With limits as determined by law.

[Meriweather]

@sikofit

What we’re saying is that women should act according to their own beliefs

Then we are saying the same thing. I have merely pointed out that her choices begin much sooner than the choice for abortion. How supportive are men in her earlier choices? Or do they change her choice to ‘sex or goodbye’? How many give her the choice of paying all her medical bills should she become pregnant and helping to support the child for a minimum of 18 years? How many choices does the man involved give the woman?

[Guvnah]

@WildRose

It’s been explained in great detail, if you haven’t got it yet I can’t help you any further.

Don’t abet the apron tugging.

[sikofit]

@WildRose

It’s simply a fact. There are at least two bodies involved and one of them is completely unable to defend itself which is where the state becomes legitimately involved.

Horse hockey, if that was a fact then abortions would never be legal yet that isn’t the case.

[WildRose]

You do have a point there.

[Bodecea]

@WildRose

No, the law gets to make that determination. We are a country of laws, not feelings.

Exactly…so those who have feelings that they do not approve of abortion have the law on their side in that no one is having the law force them to have an abortion. It is their CHOICE. Just like it is your choice to not have an abortion.

[WildRose]

No, their choices to have an abortion are limited by law and those limits have been repeatedly held up as being constitutional.

[Bodecea]

@Meriweather

@Bodecea

but you want to control when and why people have sex…based on YOUR beliefs.

No. I am pointing out there are options. Isn’t that what this discussion is about? Options? Or are you saying that women should have sex and abortions based on your beliefs?

You are the one who went on about when sex is right (in your opinion)…“sacred” I believe is a word you bandied about.

[Bodecea]

@Meriweather

@Bodecea

Nothing in the Constitution justifies the government controlling a woman’s body.

Everything in the Constitutions supports Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Where does it say “human life from inception”?

[sikofit]

@WildRose

With limits as determined by law.

So fetuses aren’t treated like bodies “unable to defend themselves” otherwise it would never be legal

[WildRose]

It puts no limit on when “life” is a right. Life begins with the first division.

[Bodecea]

@WildRose

Well that’s just stupid on it’s face. Nice try.

I am not the one who linked this argument to the 2nd Amendment, my dear.

[WildRose]

How they are treated is irrelevant to the fact they are humans unable to defend themselves.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@Meriweather

Everything in the Constitutions supports Life , Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

The constitution pertains to american citizens. Is a fetus an American citizen?

[WildRose]

No, you’re the one making the idiotic suggestion to give them guns in the womb.

The basis of the 2nd Amendment is self defense, it’s not just about guns.

Guns are not even mentioned specifically.