Addressing the elephant in the womb


#1007

The answer always depends on the situation.


#1008

Unborn do not have rights.


#1009

No, the law gets to make that determination. We are a country of laws, not feelings.


#1010

Brilliant observation. How did you divine that all on your own?


#1011

And the law disagrees with your feelings on the matter


#1012

If that were true all laws restricting abortion would be unconstitutional which of course they are not.


#1013

The law agrees with most of my views on abortion.


#1014

Fact, not opinion.


#1015

I’m glad you acknowledge that abortion is justifiable.


#1016

In some cases it absolutely is, in others it is not.


#1017

I do not know where you are getting that. I have merely pointed out that women make many choices along the way to the choice of abortion. Earlier choices led to the later one.

I am certain you understand that no one is making those choices but the woman herself. Or, do you consider her robotic at those stages? I certainly do not.

On the other hand…do men who want sex want to control women’s choice in that regard? “Come on, let’s do it, it will be fun, we will enjoy it. And if a pregnancy results, I am prepared to support you through the pregnancy, pay any medical bills, and then support the child for eighteen years, perhaps even through college.” Now, if a woman says, “No worries, I’ll just have an abortion,” that’s one thing. But how often does the man offer her the choice?


#1018

Does the law allow for the mother to make the decision or doesn’t it?


#1019

True. In 99.9% of cases it is, and the others it is not.


#1020

No. I am pointing out there are options. Isn’t that what this discussion is about? Options? Or are you saying that women should have sex and abortions based on your beliefs?


#1021

There’s that statist position…“It isn’t just ‘her body’.”


#1022

In some cases yes, in some cases no.


#1023

Everything in the Constitutions supports Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.


#1024

It’s simply a fact. There are at least two bodies involved and one of them is completely unable to defend itself which is where the state becomes legitimately involved.


#1025

What we’re saying is that women should act according to their own beliefs, not yours or mine


#1026

So, give the fetus a gun since this is an 2nd Amendment issue.