2020 Election Fraud Thread (Part 2)

Not really, the quote of him conceding is really his acknowledgement that there would be an administration change. Not that he lost.

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He left office. He conceded.

He had it both ways.

I would like to begin by addressing the heinous attack on the United States Capitol.

[00:06] Like all Americans, I am outraged by the violence, lawlessness, and mayhem. I immediately deployed the National Guard and Federal law enforcement to secure the building and expel the intruders.

[00:20] America is and must always be a nation of law and order. The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy.

[00:32] To those who engage in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country. And to those who broke the law, you will pay. We have just been through an intense election, and emotions are high, but now tempers must be cooled and calm restored.

[00:52] We must get on with the business of America. My campaign vigorously pursued every legal avenue to contest the election results. My only goal was to ensure the integrity of the vote. In so doing I was fighting to defend American democracy.

[1:11] I continue to strongly believe that we must reform our election laws to verify the identity and eligibility of all voters and to ensure faith and confidence in all future elections. Now Congress has certified the results.

[1:28] A new administration will be inaugurated on January 20th. My focus now turns to ensuring a smooth, orderly, and seamless transition of power. This moment calls for healing and reconciliation.

[1:42] 2020 has been a challenging time for our people. A menacing pandemic has upended the lives of our citizens, isolated millions in their homes, damaged our economy, and claimed countless lives.

[1:56] Defeating this pandemic and rebuilding the greatest economy on Earth will require all of us working together. It will require a renewed emphasis on the civic values of patriotism, faith, charity, community, and family.

[2:12] We must revitalize the sacred bonds of love and loyalty that bind us together as one national family.

[2:20] To the citizens of our country, serving as your president has been the honor of my lifetime, and to all of my wonderful supporters, I know you are disappointed, but I also want you to know that our incredible journey is only just beginning.

[2:37] Thank you. God bless you, and God bless America.

He’s prepared to deny much or all of this—and conservatives and Republicans will follow along with their pants tight.

“My focus now turns to ensuring a smooth, orderly, and seamless transition of power,” he added."

He transferred power. He literally conceded in the only way that matters. Saying the words is a formality.

He left office because his term expired. He didn’t really concede. There is no requirement to conceded as a condition of having your term end. As of noon on January 20th, 2021 Trump** was no longer president regardless of whether he conceded or not.

To this day he still says he won.

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He left because he did not win a 2nd term. The act of voluntarily abdicated the powers, home, and office of the presidency is concession.

If he believed he won, he wouldn’t have left the WH. By leaving, he conceded.

The point here is that saying the words is irrelevant and doesn’t mean anything. By leaving office, he acknowledged his defeat. Aka-concession.

That’s a good point.

To all the fraud supporters, why dd trump leave office if he was sure he won?

That is where we disagree, you are under the impression that he “voluntarily abdicated…”, he didn’t.

His term ended, at noon on 20 Janauary he didn’t have the powers, home or office of the presidency as he wasn’t the president anymore. If he had tried to remain in the oval office and say he was still president, the Capitol Police would have escorted him out of the building or arrested him for trespassing.

And his Secret Service detail authorized for ex-presidents are not there to prevent arrest. They would not have attempted to the police because the ex-president would not have been in danger.

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Because his advisers told him the outcome and he feared being perp’walked out of the White House on national T.V.

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I have listened to president’s since Eisenhower and Trump is the first that whenever I hear his speeches I can tell when he goes off script. He just doesn’t talk like what is written for him.

So he chose to abdicate, aka conceding. What he says about it is wholly irrelevant. Words are not needed for concession. Voluntarily giving up power is the concession. A formal verbal concession is neither necessary no required, nor does it put any sort of official stamp on an election. It’s a feel good honor speech.

The Oxford definition is to surrender or yield.

If he had been forced out, it could not be said that he conceded. He left voluntarily.

He left the White House, he had no choice to leave the Office of the President. As of noon on January 20th, 2021 he was no longer President.

He didn’t have a choice in the matter.

If he had chosen to trespass on White House grounds and refused to leave, he would have been escorted off the grounds and if he still refused to leave arrested. He saved himself the media spectacle of being carried out.

Him walking out on his own two feet is not conceding the election. He still calms to this day that he won.

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According to his alleged beliefs, he won, which means he was the legal resident.

Sure he did. He believed he won, and the winner gets the WH. He willingly left and gave the prize to someone else.

And thus conceded by leaving voluntarily. If he REALLY believed he won, he would have ordered law enforcement to stand down and to defend his presence in his rightful office

Yes, it is. It’s literally the only act of concession that counts for anything. What he says is not relevant. It’s just typical Trump prattle. Yes is blue, green is purple, the sky is made of apples. He shoots from the hip with his eyes closed when he talks, but his actions almost never line up. His refusal to acknowledge his loss has literally no impact on anything as far as the process of elections. His actions-transitioning power to a new administration-is all that counts.

Trump has spent his life trying to BE a media spectacle. Every breathe he took in the last 6 years has reported on. He LIVES for it. Can you imagine the smirk on this face if he had to have been perp walked off the premises? That image being on every newspaper front page, magazine cover, headline story, tweet, blog post, etc?

Now I just think you are jerking my chain.

To paraphrase: “Because he believed he won, that made him the legal resident of the White House?”.

Horse-hokey

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People will continue to express their fraud concerns. Here is a lady in Houston this week talking about how election officials there were probably aware last summer that certain voting machines were outdated including no auto audit function.

https://www.oann.com/houston-voters-question-texas-2020-election/

To understate it, the person in the video asking the questions is an idiot.

Notwithstanding the above, perhaps they need to declare all Texas 2020 elections in the House of Reps and Senate null and void.

And yet Trump took Texas. Then private citizen Trump calls the Governor of Texas and requests a audit of four counties. And the Governor orders it. And we taxpayers are on the hook to pay for it. The big lie continues and IMHO a bunch of Trump supporting taxpayers are going to be pissed off.